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“Stupid lefty whore”

This is a guest post by my sister Cat. Yes, there are now three bloggers in the Rollison family.

As this is my first ever post, I’ll briefly introduce myself.

My name is Cat Williams, but on twitter I am known as Catherine Rollison which is my maiden name.

I am 31 years old and I live in Adelaide with my husband Dave and our beloved dog Tully. I am a project manager in construction (currently working for Syntheo, who is building the National Broadband Network).

My main interests outside of the long and tireless hours I work, and aside from the obvious, being my family and friends, are AFL and politics.

Some of you may follow my sister, Victoria, and/or my mother, Kay, both of whom are prolific bloggers.

Victoria is my twin sister so apart from the same DNA, we share very similar opinions on many things: socialism, progressive politics, the environment, although mine are not as well vocalised as Vic, nor our mother, both of whom have an excellent way with words and a far greater urge to read and write than I do. Unsurprising that Victoria’s education led her towards humanities, like both our parents, but mine ended up in the relatively dry surroundings of the Adelaide University Civil & Structural engineering department.

I sometimes think of Vic’s passion for writing, whether it be the two novels she has penned, or her regular blog, as the outcome of someone who’s thoughts and opinions fill her like a cup of water which regularly overflows onto the keyboard. In that respect, it sometimes seems like no matter how many other things she crams into her life, she can’t NOT write. The words would have nowhere else to go.

I have been known to accuse Vic and our mum of being stuck in an echo chamber, only willing to write for, watch, read and converse on twitter with the other rusted-on left winger tweeps or commentators, many of whom they would now call friends.

When something controversial happens in politics I will show up unannounced at my parents’ house and request that we watch 7:30 together, no matter who is appearing, and no matter what they have to say (my parents infuriate me by putting the television on mute when they don’t like what someone is saying – they do this too with football commentators). I know if I didn’t force them, they would walk around the house in enraged silence, TV and radio OFF, and they would throw the Sydney Morning Herald out, unwrapped. Yes, they subscribe to the SMH, a day late, as the Advertiser is simply not an option. As much as it pains us all, I often DEMAND that my family members watch and listen to what is happening in forums and on mediums other than those they allow themselves to watch. I call it our reconnaissance mission.

As painful as it is to listen to people we disagree with, I think it is important to do so, for two reasons. First of all, if we don’t know what our opponents are saying, then how can we understand what attitudes our side of politics needs to counter? Sure, none of my family is actually IN politics, but we should never underestimate the impact and reach a simple conversation with a friend could have, or the questions we answer when we volunteer to hand out ‘how to vote’ cards at elections, let alone Vic’s blogs which some weeks reaches 10,000 Australian voters.

Second of all, I am fascinated by the swing voter, often reminding my family that, particularly in an election year, the ALP will do many things that make no sense to their most loyal supporters. In fact, a lot of things they say and do will elicit more criticism from the Rollisons than they do from the swing voters or the LNP’s rusted on voters.

But this is the point. WE, whether it be the rusted on ALP / Greens voters, OR the rusted on LNP / National voters, aren’t going to change our vote this year. It wouldn’t matter whether the ALP changed leaders in farcical circumstances three times between now and September, or whether Tony Abbott had a sudden change of heart and decided he supported meaningful action against climate change and is keeping the carbon price/ETS unchanged, there would hardly be an election in Australia’s history whereby the supporters of each party were LESS likely to change their votes between now and September.

So in the lead up to the big day in September, I’ve been willing to advance my reconnaissance missions, whether it be to seek conversations with an LNP voter or to look for the ‘uninformed or not decided’ members of the electorate , whether at work, socially or on Twitter or Facebook. Heck, I even read comments on news.com.au sites very occasionally, when I’m feeling bold. I think it’s important to try to understand what sort of issues, or the reporting of perceived issues, influence people’s votes. Or what has driven them already, to choose and actively support one candidate over the other.

This leads me to a conversation I had on Twitter recently, which, unexpectedly, went from being a conversation with (what I thought was) a Rudd supporting ALP voter, to a conversation with a rusted on LNP voter (reconnaissance)! But degenerated quickly into, what I am now led to believe, is a conversation that is very typical on Twitter for those of us who identify ourselves as left leaning Australians of the female variety.

It was two days after the embarrassing Rudd ‘no spill’ fiasco and a tweet appeared on my newsfeed from a ‘Greg Jessop’ (kudos to anyone on twitter who doesn’t hide behind a fake name – less likely to be a troll). His avatar was a photo of Kevin Rudd with the words ‘Its On’. Note this avatar has since changed to stick figures having intercourse. Charming stuff.

I tweeted him with a leading:

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His reply:

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At this point I realised he wasn’t a Rudd supporter at all, but an LNP voter disguised as a Rudd supporter in order to, as he put it, destabilise the ALP from within. A double agent one might say.

Now I’m not suggesting there is anything wrong with having an avatar, or even a name, that suggests you’re supporting something you’re not. I mean, sure, the actually satirical fake politician, or fake Andrew Bolt twitter accounts are much more entertaining than someone who uses their real name and poses as a fake Kevin Rudd Supporter, but again, as long as you’re not a pesky troll, I figure, I don’t mind talking to you.

I might even poke fun at you with a:

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Now this comment was designed to hurt the guy’s ego. Sure it’s not ‘nice’, so to speak, but I figure, it’s a harmless way to tease someone on twitter who has dedicated over 5,000 tweets yet amassed less than 200 followers (I personally pride myself on my tweet to follower ratio being currently a fairly steady 1:1, but then I don’t tweet very often so I can’t really gloat).

He responded, unabashed, with a friendly-enough ‘stay mad, stay insignificant’, but then rapidly changed the topic drastically with the taunt ‘I do hope you’re looking forward to a decade of in Opposition and the return of WorkChoices’.

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Part of me was surprised to see it was the first time I had been taunted on twitter by someone who could actually spell ‘you’re’.

The other part of me was a bit surprised that an LNP voter was taunting me with a jibe about WorkChoices.

I would have thought that most LNP supporters considered that a ‘no go zone’ after it had, in part, delivered Howard not only a heavy loss of an election, but also the loss of his own seat, being only the second ever Australian Prime Minister in history to achieve that feat.

I mean, sure, many LNP voters are very attracted to the WorkChoices policy and would support its return under the guise of a different name, but even Abbott is well advised enough not to CALL it Workchoices, as I pointed out to Greg Jessop:

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Moving on.

Greg argued his wish for the return of a form of Industrial Relations Reform:

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My retort, like the ‘tweet to follower’ ratio was on the slightly personal side having discovered from Greg’s bio that he was a Geotechnical Engineer, I used the normal ‘in’ engineering term:

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Greg stayed in the LNP ‘groove’ with a dig at the unions:

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This is where my reconnaissance missions, I feel, start to pay off when I can actually counter LNP ‘lines’ with a little thing I like to call ‘facts’:

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I might add, at this point, that I’m actually enjoying this conversation now, more than I was at the beginning, when I thought Greg was a Rudd supporter. All pretty harmless fun.

Greg, in further LNP-voter predictable fashion used a ‘me’ example to refute a national statistic.

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By this stage, I’m wondering how much further this guy could follow the ‘I’m an LNP voter on twitter’ playbook. I goaded him with a double edged attack both on his ‘me’ mentality and an open ended query on his stance on climate change:

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His retort was probably equally as predictable:

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And that’s where the ‘pleasant’ retorts spectacularly ended.

Greg Jessop, clearly ENGRAGED by conversing with someone who not only supported unions, but agreed with 98% of qualified scientists that AGW exists, exploded with a:

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Wow. That one, I didn’t see coming.

But was I that surprised?

Well. A bit. Greg didn’t originally present himself as the kind of person to resort to misogyny at sign of losing an argument, or at least, not as rapidly as he did.

And as I said to Greg:

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I don’t think we as a society will ever understand why so many men, particularly belonging to the right side of politics, hate women so much. The Workchoices, the unions, the false economy statistics, the Climate Change denial, these are all standard LNP lines. But in chicken and egg, I don’t think the hatred of women is something these men have developed purely because Tony Abbott does. I think they always have and it’s not a problem we will solve in a hurry.

I would like to be able to converse with these people I disagree with, without being called a whore. But in my experience, there are very few right wingers, even amongst those using their real name and profession in their twitter profile, who are willing to engage about political policy, the state of the economy or anything they disagree with me about, without quickly going to the gutter with nasty personal, unwarranted attacks. It’s a real shame.

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  1. kate ahearne

    Wonderful stuff, Cat. i’m particularly interested in people masquerading as someone they’re not – the reason being that I’m presently involved in setting up a new blogsite for Fair Media Alliance. We’re brand new, and rearing to get cracking on the Media Accountability front. We’ve actually had a couple of commentators who might not be who they say they are!

  2. AnnieMOnline (@AnnieMOnline)

    A great read Cat. I’ve enjoyed reading Victoria’s & Kay’s writings. Thanks very much. Annie

  3. Fed up

    The right cannot seem to discussed politics with any woman on the left, without insults and put downs.

    Maybe, us women need to teach these idiots a big lesson, come Sept 14. A vote for Labor is needed for this reason alone. Many men need to learn a lesson, that women’s views are just as legitimate as their own.

    Maybe carry more weight, as I believe we are the majority.

    Men need to take a look around them, and look at the roles that women now hold across the globe. Holding and are carrying out well.

    Some men need to dump their views and opinions of the value of women’s contributions.

    Some men need to learn, that winning at all costs is all that counts. Some men, also need to learn, the means are as important as winning.

    Most of all, some men need to recognise, they are coming across as idiots.

  4. goodrumo

    Welcome to blog land Catherine, thanks for shining a light on Greg Jessop, they are all too familiar. Love the Rollisons, power to the Rollisons and their fantastic articles.

  5. Kerrianne of the Cove

    mmm, a simple case of, if I can’t wow and sway her with my political prowess, I’ll slap her down with a derogatory term relating directly to her gender. A lot of that going around lately.

  6. Leonie

    When they resort to personal insults you know you’ve won.

  7. Ken Atkinson

    Congratlations Cat, you very successfully took the wind from his sails. He had no more ammunition to resort to other than personal sexist abuse.

  8. johnlord2013

    Enjoyed that immensely. Congratulations.

  9. Cap'n Tim

    Fascinating reading.It’s also interesting to see the pure vitriol being vented against Jim Carrey for his comments on the NRA and Fox, there are some sick people out there…

  10. Buff McMenis

    Well said, Cat … I hope you don’t mind but Cat is a lot easier to type than Catherine! 😉 And don’t worry about Greg Jessop .. he’s called most of us similar names in the past. I got “idiot” the other day! By the way, Miglo .. just cos we love your Blog doesn’t mean we have to sink to following Port :-p MIAOW!

  11. mindmadeup

    “Greg Jessop” is not who he says he is. He is a serial Twitter troll. We exposed him here.

    Greg Jessop -Twerp the Twitter twat

    So far we have no proof that he is anything to do with the mining industry or anything more than a member of the 101st Keyboard Regiment presumably posting from his mum’s spare bedroom – the misogyny of the dateless is almost palpable.

  12. Fed up

    Maybe they think they come here to mount their own arguments. Shame is that most only offer insults, no argument that holds water.

  13. LOVO

    I don’t know Migs..with a name like Cat she may be an Geelong supporter 😉 and not a Porty ‘ho such as your good self….. :tongueincheek:
    Anyhoo, congrats Cat, keep up the ‘good’ work……….. and go Melbourne 😆

  14. Bill Morris

    There are far too many Greg Jessops out there Cat. As you discovered behind the supposedly well educated dirt doctor was something quite disgusting and if given the opportunity I would suggest quite dangerous.
    You humiliated him first by outing him as an LNP antagonist but he though he would reverse that by entering into a dialogue from which you outed him as an egocentric bigot, as such he had nowhere to go but to revert to his true colours.
    “The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract.” Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

  15. Miglo

    Great read, Cat, and welcome to The AIMN.

    I assume, like your good sister, that you’re also a Port supporter (like me).

  16. Bill Morris

    I think I may have given Greg Jessop (alias) also known as -Twerp the Twitter twat too much credit. In viewing his other activities it is pretty obvious he is a young person who very much needs to be on a list.

  17. LessThanIndifferent (@SubIndifferent)

    Disappointing? Absolutely. Surprising? Hardly, this is the internet after all. Deserved? No, completely out of line.

    Here’s the but though. You’ve “poked fun”, “goaded”, and made comments specifically intended to cause hurt. I wouldn’t be too proud about your “reconnaissance missions”, if this is a fair example of them. You may stay above the belt, but your own behaviour is nothing to be particularly proud of.

    If you’re genuinely interested in knowing the point of view of those who might disagree with your ideologies, and influence those in the middle, I suspect you’re going about it the wrong way.

  18. silkworm

    Every affirmation of climate change science is an affront to these trolls, and spurs them on to troll even harder. I have yet to meet a troll who is not an AGW denier.

  19. mindmadeup

    Reblogged this on you said it… and commented:
    Greg the Twerp strikes again – this time taking on a real engineer

  20. Brian Carr

    I think I came across Greg Jessop on a Labor site, I wondered at some of his posts then, thinking that he was prepared to see the party wrecked if Rudd wasn’t voted leader, thank you for your efforts, now it makes sense.

  21. puffytmd

    Well done, Catherine, in confronting Greg Jessop. This a man who does not know how to lose graciously. Hmmm, much like Tony Abbott.

  22. Jess

    I don’t understand why people are patting you on the back for this. You provoked him, referred to his “failures” in life, and called him insignificant. You’re nothing more than an intellectual bully who felt the need to make fun of someone, and then when he finally bit back after you made fun of him, you used his retort to justify your position. I would have preferred you had showed a little class and just stated the facts, rather than resorting to personal attacks/insinuations. I still don’t agree with him calling you a whore, and he had no excuse but you shouldn’t have baited him either.

  23. silkworm

    Jess, build a bridge and get over yourself.

  24. Cat W

    Thanks everybody for your kind, educational and constructive remarks. And go the Power, looking great at half time!

  25. Mark Hyde

    Great read. It’s interesting it that they can’t wait to reveal who and what they really are when any facts come their way. I also like the insult as a means to try substitute for a meaningful defence of his opinion.
    How anyone can truly defend this kind of behaviour is beyond me. It’s hardly provocation when facts are pointed out. Besides, he quite literally didn’t have to reply. Surely we’re all grown ups on the internet who don’t have to resort to petty behaviour like this? Ah wait, no.

  26. Ricky (Tory Torcher)

    Well done Cat…It constantly amazes me what people say in blogs and twitter that they would dare not say to you in the flesh… Jess really? someone pretending to be someone they are not needs to be treated with the contempt they deserve.

  27. Chery

    Great read and typical of some men can’t win the argument resort to name calling like a kid.

  28. noncarborundum

    What a patronising post!

    “Now this comment was designed to hurt the guy’s ego. Sure it’s not ‘nice’, so to speak, but I figure, it’s a harmless way to tease someone on twitter”

    “Part of me was surprised to see it was the first time I had been taunted on twitter by someone who could actually spell ‘you’re’.”

    “Greg Jessop, clearly ENGRAGED by conversing with someone who not only supported unions, but agreed with 98% of qualified scientists that AGW exists, exploded with a:”

    He’s right, that is your unqualified and uneducated opinion but you’re right to call him on the rest of his tweet. That however is where it ends. You goaded him and you got what you deserved, in spades. Thanks for a highly entertaining take on holier than thou!

  29. mark delmege

    taking the 7.30 report seriously is a big mistake.

  30. silkworm

    Cat outed Greg Jessop as a Lib supporter deceptively posing as a Rudd supporter, and also criticized him for his misogynist language. There is nothing patronizing or holier-than-thou about this.

  31. LOVO

    Jessops’ echo chamber Cell mates sure are droll trolls 🙄

  32. spiro fragopoulos

    This is not untypical from 99% of con trolls..But it begs the question why is it in the large main CON trolls that engage in such desperate attempts in profanity when they have lost the argument?And why is it that it is mainly Con sites that will ban you for the most innofensive of remarks?is it perhaps a deep seated Guilt that pervades their unconcious, at the fact that their tenet is based on taking advantage of their neighbors and the insistence of the law of the jungle?

  33. David Brown

    Interesting post around rudeness and anger. Greg J should have called you on your elitism and personal attack. The PM in her response to the LOTO made her argument without being rude, just giving Abbott both barrels loaded with fact. Abbot had nothing then. Your responses were calculated, if Greg J had dealt with that, like Abbot you would have been seen as being unpleasantly provocative.

  34. steven james

    why are some of you defending greg jessop ? he was not the person he was pretending to be. what else is he capable of doing ? perhaps if cat and greg were alone with no one else around he may have become very nasty indeed. Remember what goes around comes around. it was just his karma coming back to him..

  35. Ryan.

    These types of obnoxious comments are not exclusive from the right of politics. Today I recieved a profanity laced email from an editor at theantibogan. To put this email in context I’ll provide some back ground details.

    I had posted on theantibogan that I thought it inappropriate to contact the employers of those who had made racist remarks on line. In response, many posters and an administrator accused me of: being a racist, a homophobe, supported violence against women, a liar and professionaly negligent. Naturally, I was agahst.

    What was most inappropriate was that an administrator at theantibogan publicised my email address (which contains my full name) and location (note the field that says “address never made public”). Thus, I had been indentified personally as someone who held these offensive views.

    After several emails which included a promise of legal action from me, the antibogan correctly removed my details and deleted the offesive comments that had been directed towards me. I also, correctly, recieved an apology for posting my name and details. What I did not recieve was a retraction regarding the imputations that impugned me personally.

    Part on an email I recieved from theantibogan stated:

    “Your request (for a retraction) did not come with specific guidelines as to how bold or large the font should be, whether or not it should belong to its own post, highlighted on the homepage surrounded by quirky gif animations or anything of the like.”

    I replied to them that this response was both trite and adolesant. The next email that I recieved from theantibogan is given in full:

    “Says the f*ckwit who can’t let it go. Piss off, douchetard.

    Ed”

    Charming.

    Racism, sexism and refugees are amoung the most significant social issues of our time. These issues will only be solved in a satisfactory way by respectful dealing with all concerned, even those we consider to be bigots and racists. Clearly, those at theantibogan responsible for the above actions have behaved in a most childish and reprehensible manner. A manner that, in my opinion, disqualifies them from any leadership role in addressing these important social issues.

  36. steven james

    i keep thinking back to tony abbott punching the wall on both sides of a womans head ! a christian man ? as ghandi says, he likes christ : ) but he does not like christians : ( he thought christians should be more like christ.. me too….

  37. Fed up

    Then lying that he ever did it.

  38. Belinda

    Ryan
    Wow, never heard of the ‘antibogan’ until this blog, but it sounds like the ‘bogan’ to me…

  39. Ryan.

    Theantibogan site is “..you said it”. Mindmadeup who has posted here is an administrator.

  40. Alison White

    There are trolls on both sides of politics, let’s not kid ourselves that the left is somehow so pure of heart that they shit manna…! However, through observation of the discourse on facebook and blogs, it is plain that the most hatred, spite and vitriol is spewed by the right wing elements.

    I’m guessing that us ‘lefties’ factor in a basic respect for everyone – which holds us back from outrageous and extreme trolling. Well, I know that’s what stops me from being nasty. Our democratic system has the same ‘problem’ with those who would criticise it – if you are ever in London pop around to speakers corner in Hyde park and you’ll know what I mean.

    The really strange thing is that many of the right wing trolls are very often those people that the conservatives despise: poor, ill-educated and without class or connections. One has to give the right wing movers and shakers kudos for being able to marshal supporters from within the ranks of their natural enemies.

    Perhaps the right wing has better trolls because they really believe the stuff they spout – and for that we should feel a bit sorry for them.

  41. steven james

    i have noticed that many people who should be supporting labor in this country , now believe all the garbage that has been said about labor. we need to wake up these people so they realise that once they vote the liberals in it will be to late to change their minds.. as they say a sucker is born every minute…

  42. Mark

    A great article Cat and I welcome your contribution to the 5th Estate. The 4th Estate (MSM) in our dear country has been well and truly taken over by vested interests who have NO interest in our society – just their bottom line – profits.

    You have exposed one LNP Troll very well. There is probably an army of them bunkered down in LNP HQ dishing out LNP “talking points” and pretending to be ALP supporters.

    You see them on most progressive blogs. Some of them are quite subtle till you push them too far and then you get the venom which is their only defence since they make no logical sense. Neither do they ever answer why this government ( in their eyes) is so bad and in need of URGENT changing.

    Might I suggest that if you are getting LNP trolls to your blog or any other form of the new media, you should wear it as a Badge of Success ? It means that they realise that you are having an impact.

    With this in mind, I would like to suggest the LNP Troll award for attracting the most Trolls to your website. There are so many – IIan Hall( a legend in his own trousers), Scaper ……..et al.

    Keep up the good fight.

  43. 3rd Eye

    @ Stephen James.
    “now believe all the garbage that has been said about Labor. ”

    And there are hundreds of thousands more who will obliterate Labor at the polls,not because of what has been said, but simply by the scrutiny of Labors actions and motivations under Gillard.
    I think this blog is a clear demo of wishful thinking.
    Most of the Labor voters I know who are environmentally adult,humanely aware and cognisant of what a fair go looks like no longer recognise nor respect Labor and have emphatically turned off.I don’t think the rusted ons of either side will do a 180 degree vote switch,but it is dangerous and naive to ‘project’ that Gillard has any hope of saving this polluted version of Labor.
    Voted Labor all my life, as do most of my peers.
    Not any more.

    and to Mark regarding trolls.
    Mate you’re dreaming if you think trolling is only one sided.The Drum is the playground for a couple of ‘multi headed’ rusted on Labor hacks.
    My belief is that trolls can only survive in an environment where they are allowed to.
    The first step is to have rules in place which go to a way of reg’ing a real person to an avatar, or no post allowed.
    The sooner the net does that the sooner it gets civil and real again.Some bloggers could set up playground sites for trolls,if that is what blows peoples hair back.
    And only lazy bloggers blame reality or voter perception on trolls.Remember that whether we like it or not about half of the electorate disagree with the other half at any given time.
    Two parties.That’s the problem.This aint no footy match.
    Trolls only have one vote.A pity the pseudonyms are not similarly limited in number.
    I have witnessed the same behaviour you describe in rusty Labor trolls who implode when ask them to justify union control of Labor,the PMs backflips and the hypocrisy of unions and the PM exploiting the 457 visa issue for votes, whilst employing 457 visa staff,despite locals being ready willing and able.Gillard approved 100 457 workers with Ferguson for Rhineharts massive mine.
    That my naive friend is the behaviour of Mr Abbott and therein lies the problem for Labor.
    Since Rudds first failed leadership attempt, Labor has lurched so far to the right and so far under vile union control, it occupies the same bed as the opposition.Now they play Robin Hood by pinching superannuation.More class warfare to come.Another coalition strategy.

    Until people stop seeing this crap in black and white, you can expect future political behaviour to follow and grow on this trend line.

  44. LOVO

    3rd Eye blind, this ‘outs’ you .. “Voted Labor all my life, as do most of my peers.
    Not any more.” …. then soon after that is said comes the RW ‘pitch’….. could be called ‘formula trolling’…… noice try, no cigar 🙄

  45. Truth Seeker

    LOVO, I am with you, but prepare to give the benefit of the doubt, depending on the answer , if any will determine whether the 3rd eye is actually the brown eye that points to the ground 😀

    Cheers 😀

  46. 3rd Eye

    @LOVO
    Good luck at the election.Take some tissues.

    @Truth seeker
    I am not here to say what you want to hear,nor do I give a FRA whether you believe me or not.
    Those who donkey vote to not get to discuss politics.
    Those who believe that anyone not supporting Labor at this election, must support the coalition, should also STFU, because it is obvious they don’t have the grey matter to discuss politics.

    Ironic that the first two relies to me should be 101% troll like in nature.
    🙂

    Lunch time at the Drum?

  47. silkworm

    3rd Eye mentions “the PM’s backflips,” but never enlightens us as to what those backflips might be. We are left to fill in the blanks. “Backflips” is one of those weasel words coming from a right-wing troll who pretends to be critical of both sides of politics, but fails to declare which side he or she is on.

    First of all, 3rd Eye, if that is your real name, you need to come clean on who you support (and if you support neither party, which party you will be putting second on your ballot), and secondly, you need to tell us about the PM’s supposed backflips. And please don’t say “the carbon tax,” because if you do, that would really expose you as a right-wing troll.

  48. silkworm

    3rd Eye mentions the PM’s “backflips.” As it stands this term is one of those weasel words that the right-wing use to confuse the average Joe. Pray tell, what are those “backflips”? Please don’t say the “carbon tax” as that will surely expose you as a right-wing bloviator.

    Second thing, 3rd Eye, you say you are critical of both sides of politics. Are you claiming to be politically neutral? Tell us, who exactly do you support? Come September, which side are you going to tick as your second preference on your ballot, or are you going to vote informal?

    Thirdly, you are not very critical of Tony Abbott. Why not?

  49. Truth Seeker

    3rd eye, so if you have been a Labor voter “all your life” but not any more, what is your alternative?

    The Greens who will be largely irrelevant if they continue on the road they have started?

    Or the Murdoch bought and paid for LNP?

    The only other option is the donkey vote which in effect hands the government to the vested interests, and is the copout of the politically immature, apathetic, lazy or naive.

    Cheers

  50. 3rd Eye

    So, Why does this site feel so paranoid it deletes responses to comments?

  51. silkworm

    This site must be paranoid against lefty comments, because it has dropped my last two posts.

  52. silkworm

    OK, now I seem to be getting through.

    3rd Eye, what are those supposed “backflips” by the PM? And please don’t say the “carbon tax,” otherwise we will know you are nothing but a rightie bloviator.

  53. Brian Carr

    3rd eye……….. ‘And there are hundreds of thousands more who will obliterate Labor at the polls’

    I was a bit worried there for a time, but I sense an ever so slight shift in what I’m reading now, sure the PM isn’t in an ideal situation at the moment, but the policies she has gotten through are starting to bear fruit, the carbon price has not destroyed the economy and along with other factors, has shown that it works, the NBN is pushing ahead, and will cost more now to unravel than to finish, the disability insurance was passed by both sides, the pension has been increased, and added to with the carbon price offset, the economy is one of the strongest in the world…largely due to the Rudd initiative during the GFC, and the mining boom.

    As has been often said, polls can give an indication of voting intentions, but the decision by a lot of people is made on the day, and fluctuates from poll results.

    The decision to announce the election so far out has set a sort of trap for the LNP, if they announce their policies in a traditional timeframe (3-4 weeks out from the election) then the obvious question is, why wait so long ? won’t the policies stand up to scrutiny ? if the policies are announced early, they can be scrutinised…and torn apart, because they just don’t make sense.

    Obliterated at the polls ? I’m not so sure, they (LNP) may get in, but will they have the majority they are expecting ? maybe another hung parliament…..now that would be interesting, I don’t think they have the talent to be as effective as the PM has been with getting policy through despite an appalling opposition party intent on nothing but getting into power.

    Guess all will be revealed in September.

  54. Truth Seeker

    Brian, Abbott has already flagged the idea that he will call a DD if he doesn’t get the result that he/Murdoch wants, so if God forbid he does win, all we’ll get is another Abbott dummy spit 😯

    Well said BTW

    Cheers 😀

  55. 3rd Eye

    Worm,
    I might get this post reply through the paranoia wall, or not.Given I went to the trouble to respond to several posters,several times above. I have no intention of justifying my political position again.I am not in the slightest bit concerned whether you or anyone else agree with me, or whether you think I vote for the coalition.
    It sort of does highlight that Australian voters build there own wall and bang their head against it though.
    By enabling only two possible views, and then espousing the one, no matter how close it reflects the other smacks of mental illness.

    If you cannot see any backflips you are beyond restoration,I’m afraid.

    Good luck with the election

  56. 3rd Eye

    For those of you who continue to play dumb on our voting system please read up.
    http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/

    You may discover along the way that there are more than two parties, and sleeping at night does night require the official endorsement of either.

    I guess if the inability to write more than {1} numeral, namely “1”, the adult voting process may be well beyond you.

  57. silkworm

    You rudely call me “worm.” That means you are definitely a troll.

    I asked you a simple question about the PM’s “backflips,” and you carefully avoided giving an answer, so I can only conclude you can’t defend your position.

    Do you really have a third eye, or is that a target on your forehead?

  58. 3rd Eye

    Worm
    If the blog author (miglo) was not filtering to suit an end my explanation would be visible above.I tried 3 times long before you posted.
    As for being rudely called Worm offending you, makes me a troll?
    And you played the target on head line?
    Good Lord.Nils desperandum.
    This is not even a leftist site.It is an apologist sanctuary.
    As if the current Labor party are left.
    ROFL.

  59. Miglo

    I just arrived home and noticed that a number of comments were caught up in the spam filter. My apologies. They have now been released, apart from the duplicate comments.

  60. 3rd Eye

    Backflips for beginners,Adults only.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-31/cassidy-political-backflips/4233796

    Plenty of other adult intellectual blogs confirm this basic stuff.
    Labor needs massive reform ASAP.
    Voters will not deliver Gillard government.
    Gillard is not of the left.
    The unions run her.It is sad that the resident bully trolls control the direction.

    Don’t bother replying TS.
    I don’t want to get busted talking to juveniles online.
    Nor do I want to be seen as feeding the problem.

    Have a nice weekend everyone.You can all go back to your altar,now.

  61. Truth Seeker

    Yep LOVO, you were right… troll, and a particularly ignorant and pathetic one at that.

    So brown eye, you are the one who should STFU, as you have nothing to add and are irrelevant at every political level.
    And a LIAR to boot.
    Don’t bother to reply, cos I scroll the trolls 😀

    Cheers 😀

  62. Miglo

    3rd Eye, you make a couple of wrong presumptions. First, I am not the author of this blog. Neither am I the owner of this blog. It is owned by a number of people, of which I am only one.

    And neither did I filter your comments. Some of yours and silkworm’s were caught in the spam filter, of which I have no control of.

  63. LOVO

    3 eyes blind …Altar ??? Adults only????? … don’t want to get busted talking to kids online (yup, says it all) ????? …and you’ve voted ALP all your life….. ????? 😕
    Sorry Menzies Hovel, try again.. 😆

  64. steven james

    yep as jim carrey says 3rd eye is a colostomy bag!

  65. Bacchus

    Definitely begun to burst at the seams too 😆

  66. steven james

    he hee. : ) yes definitely. i was wondering if he was dirk rossey, or dick rosey. or all three ?

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