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If The Government Funds An Information Campaign Shouldn’t It Fund Disinformation Too?

A few days ago, I was enlightened, thanks to an interaction on Twitter.

It all started when I responded to a tweet from Adem Somyurek complaining that IBAC were an unelected body. I replied by pointing out that the police were also an unelected body and asking if he had a problem with them enforcing the law before adding that Dan Andrews was elected so that must make him ok.

I got a reply from someone pointing out that if I thing (sic) Dan Andrews was elected my mind control course was complete. This was pleasing because I often have trouble completing things and to have completed a whole course in mind control without even enrolling was a new experience for me.

Now I do know better than to argue on social media. There’s no point in engaging with conspiracy theorists because there is NOTHING that will ever change their mind. If they’re a member of a cult worshipping a particular individual and you got that individual to announce that everything they’ve ever said was a lie, then the conspiracy devotee would tell you that the person has been brainwashed… or the dark powers have replaced him with a robot.

But I stupidly made a comment. “Ah, another one of those ‘I don’t like reality therefore something else must be true and everyone is subject to mind control apart from me and a few of my friends‘ !”

To which he replied that he was happy to be one of those and then proceeded to send me a little “History Lesson” on a slide he’d created which was full of interesting facts which I’ll summarise because it really was quite dense:

  • Labor removed YOU from your Constitution in 1973 without your consent by a Referendum. The Liberal Party were complicit.
  • Whitlam wasn’t really sacked, and that he and Kerr and Fraser were all in cahoots to remove manufacturing in Australia and send “your jobs overseas”.
  • In 1988 Labor removed your English Common Law rights without your consent by Referendum to “Common Law of Australia”.
  • Labor signed up to Agenda 21 in 1992 which basically aims to destroy everything important including the family and fossil fuels.

Anyway, I did think of pointing out that it was pretty hard to take away everyone’s rights with a Referendum that nobody got to vote in. I did think of suggesting that maybe the person meant legislation but even then wouldn’t more people have raised it as an issue at the time? And I did think of asking what was the motivation behind all this.

However, I already know that there’s no point in trying to change people’s minds with facts. It’s a nice idea but it just doesn’t work. Particularly when the person you’re dealing with has such a loose grasp of them anyway.

Take Fifi Murray who frequently pops up on my Twitter feed complaining about various things like being woke and the fact that people like Adam Bandt exist and Communists running the country. Her profile says that she follows The Outsiders, Rowan Dean, Mark Latham, Paul Murray, Peta Credlin, Chris Kenny, etc. This is quite an achievement because I’ve never been able to follow them…, particularly Rowan Dean who never says anything I can follow in any way.

Anyway, Fifi tweeted the following:

“So, the energy legislation passed the house 85- 41. I’d like to know how many Liberals crossed the floor in support of it.

“What’s the bet that Simon Birmingham was one of them?”

In spite of my understanding that facts don’t matter I still felt compelled to point out two things:

  1. Birmingham is a senator and wouldn’t have been voting in the house.
  2. Simon is overseas as part of a bipartisan tour and has been popping up on the news with Penny Wong and others.

Fifi didn’t acknowledge my tweet for some reason.

Ok, I know that arguing on social media is like Sisyphus pushing the rock up the hill only to have it roll back down again but sometimes one can’t help oneself. I mean I know that I won’t be able to change Matt Canavan’s thinking, even in the unlikely event that I find that he ever does any, but when he starts complaining that this energy legislation is socialist and he wants to protect the free market and jobs so that we’re all better off, I feel an urge to ask about how ballooning energy prices are helping manufacturers who may go out of business. I mean, even the most ardent capitalist who thinks that poor people deserve to freeze because they have no money must surely see that high gas and electricity prices are bad if they’re hurting business!

The whole energy thing is a great example of confirmation bias and I suspect that it’s going to hurt the Coalition more than any other party because they’re aligning themselves so strongly with the energy companies. It was one thing to attack the so-called Carbon Tax but it’s quite another thing to attack the price cap. In the first case, the LNP position was that this is making everything more expensive, while in the second it’s that putting a cap on things is socialism and we should let the free market sort it out. It’s a lot easier to argue against higher prices than to argue for them.

At the moment the Coalition position seems to be that this temporary price cap won’t work long term… which I would have thought is why it’s only a temporary cap but, hey, I’m not the expert here. And their second point is to agree with the energy lobby that the bit in the legislation about making a “reasonable profit” will discourage investment in the long term and lead to higher prices because of shortages. As Ian Macfarlane said the other said, if gas companies are restricted in their profits here they’ll just sell it overseas. I mean, it’s not like we own the gas or anything.

Ok, leaving aside the whole idea of energy companies demanding the right to make an UNreasonable profit. the idea of a shortage leading to higher prices creates a rather interesting prospect: Energy companies are upset because this will lead to them getting higher prices for the gas they extract. And if that’s the case won’t that mean that it’s worth extracting the gas for the inflated price even though their profit will only be reasonable?

Still, what would I know? I didn’t even notice the Referendum that took away my rights.

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  1. Phil Pryor

    You and I have been robbed constantly over time by conservatives operating in this country, behind the scenes as well as in public, in corporations, compliant governments, using legal, financial, professional allsorts of plotting, planning, organising. So, we get a complex and rigged system of privatisation, layered in “wholesale and retail’ constructed opaqueness, so as to extract profit witout remorse, by coercion if necessary, by complexity to make it difficult to unravel and challenge and by cornering skills for hire. If one observed now as a fresh outsider, one should be horrified at foreign and local corporations scraping, pocking, pitting, holing and penetrating this nation for a controlled exportable guaranteed flow of money to them, without any decent balance in money to the nation through taxation, charges, royalties, other returns. We are robbed. But we know that this happens.., some USA operators robbed their citizens and the nation by outsourcing, offshoreing, evil untruthfulness in operation. SO, jobs went, revenues went, the cunning were enriched, much finance was speculated, hoarded, displayed, though essentials were ignored and betrayed. Who actually owns, controls, directs, navigates this nation, in all ways social, financial, political, and in informing and educating? One feels surrounded by evil outside influences and controls, a la, Merde Dogs. As for those corresponding idiots mentioned here, the basically vacant skull can be filled with all types of cerebral faecality, to suit exploiters usually.

  2. margcal

    When the people speak and their answer is Somyurek, I wish I could stop thinking too and just enjoy what little time we have left on this deluded planet we call home.

  3. Canguro

    Generally whenever I encounter somebody with Warning – Conspiracy Theorist… beep beep beep tattooed across their forehead I give them as wide a berth as possible, with Fleetwood Mac’s Go Your Own Way springing to mind.

    As Rossleigh says, there is NOTHING that will change their minds.

    But like most things in life, we have to learn these things for ourselves. I had an ongoing correspondence with a German lady I’d met on a Buddhist monastery… she’d come along to do some long term meditation; an oldish hippy gal who’d first been in Australia way back in 1973, and so after knowing her for a couple of months we continued to stay in touch after her return to Europe.

    A couple of months back I started getting emails in regard to the chemtrails that were filling the German skies, and how the western governments were conspiring against the citizens, and how the WEF was an evil machination and how Senator Alex Antic was on to it and fighting the good fight for the peoples’ rights;

    I politely replied that the chemtrails were much more likely to be contrails and helpfully provided a number of links so that she could see the error of her thinking and adjust accordingly. Her reply floored me; the sources pointed to, including Harvard Uni and NOAA were, she said, complicit in the conspiracy, in effect, evil elements against the people.

    Lesson learnt. Avoid the tin-foil hat wearing fraternity. Rationality is not for everyone.

  4. Clakka

    Yeah, reading the early signs is important – usually their conversion approach.

    Providing them any clean air will only turbo-charge their production of manure and atmospheric toxicity.

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