“We don’t feel for one minute we are free”
Samad is a writer from Pakistan and an administrator of Writing Through Fences. Obeida is an auto-mechanic from Syria. Samad speaks with Obeida about life in Australia’s immigration prison camps on Manus Island as the only remaining Syrian.
This interview was conducted in the East Lorengau Prison Camp on Manus Island.
Samad: Thank you so much, Obeida for your time and to be here. I saw your interview which you gave to Janet in 2015. I saw that, and I read it and it is very painful and I am very sorry for that so my best wishes will be with you.
Living in the new prison camps:
Samad: Obeida, my friend, first of all I would like to ask you how are you feeling and how is the new accommodation?
Obeida: Here no-one gives me help because I’m alone here. Even I asked for help from the security or from anyone here, but they didn’t help. First, they put me with someone with mental problem. That person tried to set fire to the room when I was asleep. You know, after that I leave the room, and no-one give me help. This is what I feel: I feel alone here.
Samad: So you don’t have any room here?
Obeida: For now I have a room but not forever.
Samad: Ah it is just temporary room.
Obeida: Yes, it is, just for now.
Being Syrian on Manus:
Samad: So you said you are the only Syrian here and as you are only one person here so you don’t have any appearance from your community here. How do you feel to be alone like this?
Obeida: When you feel alone you cannot do anything. You be with yourself just thinking. Thinking about your family and what they do in Syria. My family’s still in Syria. Always there. Thinking. Just thinking.
Last 24 days on Lombrum:
Samad: So I will ask about the 24 days when Australia left us without food, without water, without support and they just left us alone in Lombrum. It was horrible days. It was really horrible days and we are still suffering that pain. Can you describe how do you feel about that, and how did you survive that, and do you have suffering that come from that?
Obeida: You know, the Australian government they tried to kill us at that time, but they put PNG as the face – little man do whatever they want. PNG they tried to kill us but in the end the media went out. We remained strong at that time and we showed all the world all the pain that Australia does to us. I was feeling not safe because we don’t have parents, we don’t have food, we don’t have water. We tried to contain the rain water and we drink it. Very hard days.
Samad: Yeah, it was very hard days.
Obeida: Yeah. We don’t have this stuff. Maybe the animals will eat us at that time. Really. They did try to kill us.
Australia and the situation for people in and from Syria:
Samad: I want to ask you about, you know, the world knows now that Syrian is now a war zone and a couple of countries are accepting refugees from Syria including Australia. I saw in the news that 12,000 people will be accepted by Australian government, whether they are really accepted or not I don’t know.
Obeida: Yeah, I never believe the Australian government. I never believe what I hear from Australia. Never believe they have one person who help humanity.
When Australia says they will take 12,000 Syrian families, please think about the off-shore people because you have Syrians there. You have one person in Manus and two families in Nauru. It is only a few people who come and ask, ‘We need your help. We need safety’. You will torture the Syrian people and in the media you say you will help 12,000 people or 10,000 families.
Samad: Yes, it is really unjust. They are taking people from Syria but Syrian people are here in offshore and they are not accepting them, so this is unfair. I’m so sorry for that.
So you still have contact with your family in Syria?
Obeida: I have contact with my family, but you know, with the situation it is very hard. But yeah, sometimes I contact with my family. But just family. My friends, I lost them. I don’t know where my friends are now.
Samad: You don’t know about your friends?
Obeida: Some of them is dead, and some of them in prison and some of them I don’t know.
Samad: So where is your family now? Are they in Syria or somewhere else?
Obeida: Still in Syria.
Samad: Are they safe now?
Obeida: I can’t say yes, and I can’t say no.
Samad: We heard about USA use some kind of weapons, chemical weapons – we don’t know. Did it affect your friends or family?
Obeida: Yeah. No, it is a little bit away from my family.
Samad: Obayda I have one more question. Do you love someone or something the most in your life?
Obeida: I love freedom. But I don’t think we get freedom. This is not freedom somewhere else in PNG. It is not freedom to settle in danger. We will not have freedom in Australia or somewhere else.
I loved one girl in Syria so talked about marrying me and we got engaged.
Samad: So was it love engaged or someone organised for you?
Obeida: No. It was love engaged.
Samad: So you guys met in Syria? And then you came here and you got engaged 2014?
Obeida: Yes, because we were not thinking we live in here long time – like now for 5 years. We don’t know when we will be free.
Samad. So that is the reason she break up with you?
Samad: When you broke up with her how was your feelings? Of course, you were in Lombrum then, so how was your feeling?
Obeida: It is hard to explain this feeling.
Samad: Yes, especially when you were in Lombrum, a terrible place.
Obeida: Yeah, and you love someone, and you cannot see them or touch them for long long time. And after that you lost them.
Samad: So how can you describe the pain?
Obeida: You know that time I think by then it’s better for me you know, at that time. Yeah but after these long years I try to forget.
Samad: You suffer too much my friend. I am sorry for this.
Samad: Do you like any music. What kind of music?
Obeida: Yes, I like to listen to English music sometime. Sometime Arabic. I love to hear the English music more than Arabic. You know, sometimes in the night you like to listen to sad music because of this situation you know. When you are happy, you will listen to romantic music or something happy.
Samad: Yes, I can say music is our only friend that we have got here that can give us a little bit of happiness and strength.
Samad: One more thing I wanted to ask you about Tiger [Tiger was a young stray dog that Obayde adopted]. He was our friend. Especially for you.
Obeida: Yes, he was my best friend.
Samad: Yes, he was your best friend. I see in photos you are with him and he with you every time. Yes, rest in peace our friend, Tiger. How do you feel about losing this friend?
Obeida: When I lose him, when I lost my friend I put my heart with him, in the ground with him. I don’t feel myself here. Because when I walk, always Tiger was with me. When I go somewhere, Tiger was with me. Really, he’s my best friend. I lost something from my heart. You know I think half of my heart is gone.
Samad: Tiger was such a relation. He was like our friend. The whole compound friend.
Obeida: Yes, he was everyone’s.
Samad: Especially he was close with you. So, you don’t feel safe when you go out now.
Obeida: Yeah, because before you had a friend walking with you. Like Tiger was my friend. A friend makes you strong when you are walking with them. Now I never feel safe.
Samad: I am sorry it is terrible news. I hope you find adopt another dog or something.
Obeida: Especially in this country because you don’t feel safe from the security. You will never feel safe because the security will … attack us, take you to prison or try to kill us, already kill four or five friends, you know.
Samad: I heard you had been taken to Chauka in 2015 I think.
Obeida: Yes, I go to Chauka prison and also the Lorengau prison.
Samad: How many days you were in Chauka?
Obeida: Maybe for 3 days. One time 24 hours.
Samad: What was the reason they take you to Chauka?
Obeida: You know, one time they take me to Chauka because I have – you remember we have one sick man was Syrian? He had long time been sick and he had a broken nose from Syria. He was very very sick, and I tried to help him. Security were beating him. I just tried to protect his body and security arrest me and take me to Chauka.
Samad: Where is he now?
Obeida: He’s back to Syria.
Samad: He’s been deported or …?
Obeida: No no, he’s gone back because he’s so sick and Australia they didn’t help him …
Samad: So he’s gone back. How is he?
Obeida: You know his father is dead from the war. In his city it is so bad. Very very dangerous.
Samad: So you were trying to protect him when the security were beating him.
Obeida: Yes, so they take me to Chauka
Samad: So can you try to explain the Chauka, what kind of place was that like?
Obeida: So, Chauka is like a [shipping] container and there you don’t have water, you don’t have food.
Samad: So do they give you toilet, no water, no bathroom?
Obeida: No, they have a bathroom but, you know, like even if you have a dog they will never use this bathroom, you know.
Samad: Yeah, I saw some pictures. That toilet’s terrible.
Obeida: Yes, they give you hot water. You can drink only one bottle of water in a day.
Samad: Only one bottle on a hot day!
Obeida: Hot day under the sun. Inside the container, under the sun, oh, you know if you sleep it’s like you swim in the water because of the sweat, you know. They give you only little little food. Not allowed to have fan or air con.
Samad: When you were in Chauka did security guys beat you or give you some problem?
Obeida: No just talking too bad, you know.
Samad: So they give you some pain with their words.
Obeida: Yes, by words. They never beat me but when they are talking bad with you it is like they beat you, you know. If they beat you it is better than talking with you badly. You cannot do anything, you are a prisoner.
Samad: Playing with feelings and trying to give you negative words to make you upset, to make you sad?
Hopes and motivations:
Samad: What is your hope and motivation that keeps you up and strong?
Obeida: My family and doing something for them.
Samad: So it’s a really good thing. Because your family keep you up and you are strong and still thinking what you can do. So I really hope you can do something for your family and that you can be with them in a safe country. I pray for you.
Samad: What is your dreams or goals when you are released and get to a safe country? What will be your dreams?
Obeida: I want to help people. To help the people who other people torture them, try to help them, the poor people. This my dream.
Samad: It was really nice talking to you Obieda. So what will be the three things you want to do for the world it you could?
Obeida: The first thing I try to bring peace for Syria. I hope the refugees will not be suffering in the compound and in the centre. I love to see the refugees free. To see country like Australia help the refugees; not torturing the refugees, not put them in prison, but help them. It’s not a compound. We are in a prison. We don’t feel for one minute we are free. To see the refugees are OK, have a good life. One thing else, I hope that all the world love each other, you know, thinking only about love, not thinking about religion, or the colour, you are black or white.
Samad: No racism, yeah.
Obeida: You know this is how they brought us, this is how they bring us here, only thinking about religion. I hope all the people thinking only for love. Nothing about the religion or colour.
Samad: So you want to do three things for the world. To build peace in Syria, stop the persecution of refugees, like you want to end all the detention centres, people who suffer in detention and the third will be love. You want to make love, no racism, nothing like that, no torture in the name of religion. That’s really inspiring. Thank you very much for being with me today and it was really inspiring to be with you again. I am pleased that you are with me and yes, we know the situation and how it is. It is a terrible situation.
I think we have finished now what was in our mind and what was in my mind and I can say you are very positive person and a gentleman and I hope this detention will end soon. We are still hopeful for that because we have to. We have to be positive every time so again thank you very much Obieda. It was very nice.
Obeida: Thank you.
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The Nazis imprisoned people without trial because they were infirm, Gypsies, Jews and political prisoners. Then about 1942 the Nazis introduced a policy of concentration camps with genocidal capacity to process the mass executions without trial.
Notice the similarities when legal refugees can be imprisoned without trial in a concentration camp overseen by a foreign multinational prison corporation on behalf of the RAbbott Morriscum Dutton Turdball NLP misgovernment at enormous expense to the Australian taxpayers?
So what is the difference between a Nazi stormtrooper with his jack-boot on the neck of aJewish teenager in the Warsaw ghetto during 1943 and an Israeli Defence Force trooper with his jack-boot on the throat of a Palestinian teenager in Gaza or the West Bank in 2018?
Answer: 75 years.