The S44 citizenship saga has thrown up possible queries concerning the citizenship status of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.
The first is this interview with the Times of Israel in September 2015 recorded when Turnbull ousted former Prime Minister Tony Abbott and took over the top job:
My mother always used to say that her mother’s family was Jewish, he (Turnbull) told the Australian Jewish News two years ago. Judaism is passed from generation to generation on the mother’s side, so if his mother was in fact Jewish, so is Turnbull.
The second is a piece from the Australian Jewish News, August 2013, headlined “Menachem Mandel Turnbull?” in which the same statement is made by Turnbull about his mother, Coral Lansbury.
If Turnbull is Jewish, he is, as is every Jew in the world with the exception of criminals and terrorists, entitled to Israeli citizenship under the 1950 Law of Return.
How does this bring into question Turnbull’s legitimacy as an MP?
Section 44(i) of Australia’s Constitution disqualifies someone from office if that person:
… is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power… (emphasis mine)
We know from recent events that:
The High Court’s reading of section 44 is strict and unsurprising. It means that a dual national is barred from Parliament even where they were born in Australia, are ignorant of their other citizenship and have never attempted to use the rights or privileges of another country. A person can even be disqualified where they become a dual national later in life due to legal changes in another country.
Obviously his citizenship status and S44 were far from Turnbull’s mind in 2013 and 2015, when the interviews were recorded. Yet he was, at the beginning of his political career, like any other aspiring MP whose background carries the possibility of dual citizenship or entitlement to that citizenship, required to establish his status before standing for parliament. His failure to do this places his legitimacy as an MP and Prime Minister in doubt.
For the sake of the country’s stability, Turnbull must immediately address these issues, and rapidly and transparently convey his citizenship status to the Australian people. It is unthinkable that we should continue with a Prime Minister who is ineligible to sit in our parliament.
Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg is in the same situation as Turnbull. Frydenberg’s mother is Jewish, and he is also entitled to Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return.
This article was originally published on No Place For Sheep.
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What’s that sound I hear? The sound of the LNP coming undone…
Turnbull was also famously CEO of Goldman Sachs, in Australia, which is a very famous NYC Corporation, who’s Ex Staff now occupy some of the most powerful and important political positions around the world.
February 2010….
“I know I will never be given a chance to re-enter Parliament again,” Pauline Hanson said.
Ms Hanson told Woman’s Day she will sell her property at Coleyville, south-west of Brisbane, then relocate to Britain where she can get dual citizenship.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-02-15/goodbye-forever-as-hanson-moves-to-uk/331628
Yes indeed, Miriam English.
I, for one, have been suspicious of CIA, British, Chinese and Israeli interference in Australian affairs for a long, long time, but the sort of people involved in conscious treachery will never identified and sacked, unlike the likes of innocents like Ludlum and now Lambie (perhaps).
Being of Jewish descent (how appropriate given his banking background) Turnbull has the right to apply for Israeli citizenship but it is not an automatic entitlement.
However, Jacqui Lambe may be in Fiona Nash’s predicament.
paul walter. you imply a good point that i agree with. since the 70s we have been hearing the warnings of ‘radicals’ about the take over of aust by multinationals. that has indeed occurred. Globalisation, free trade, defence MUAs with Israel that could only lead to our greater involvment in middle eastern wars on the side of the aggressors, excessive budget busting contracts with usa aircraft manufacturers for dud jets. perhaps its the secretive divided loyalties of the traitors sitting in parliament that has allowed all this to occur. watering down s 44 to allow politicians to have divided loyalties can only worsen the situation. Its like allowing an infection to become a pandemic in order to remedy the situation. It can only serves the interests of the traitors and deceivers that sit in parliament and allow them to advance their treacherous causes and interests.
TIME TO FLUSH THE BS OUT OF CANBERRA.
what a weak as piss pm get rid of him
Being eligible for citizenship is not the same as holding citizenship. For those who already hold dual citizenship, the requirement is that they renounce that citizenship and the entitlements that go with it, but renouncing your British citizenship does not make you ineligible to become a British citizen again at some point in the future. Thus, if simply having a foreign heritage that entitles you to apply for citizenship is now in breach of Section 44, none of those already referred to the High Court could ever be able to come back. A relatively high proportion of the Australian public has a right to apply for foreign citizenship based on ancestry. Much as I would love to see the back of Turnbull Light Right, this kind of speculation is tilting at windmills.
Need a tsunami to flush out Canberra.
Re Brian Harry post. and are we supposed to believe that the $1million that Turnbull gave to the LNP for election purposes came out of his pocket. And with the Adani mine proceeding against all logical reasoning it must surely be another Cayman Island moment.Has Turnbull every submitted a tax return showing his Cayman Island profits ?
Could there be a simple solution to this citizenship mess without having a referendum to change the constitution BUT to change the Australian citizanship act where anyone taking up Australian citizanship gets all other citizanship annulled if requested no matter what other countries insist. The GG could call a general election of both houses wipe the lot out and we can start a fresh and who ever gets in can get back to the business of governing.
Zoltan. international law says it is the country of origin that determines who and who is not a citizen and that prescribes the methods of renunciation not the second country, in this case Australia. So the legislation you suggest would also have some difficulties.
THE BURDON OF EVIDENCE OF COMPLIANCE with s 44. It is a paramount duty of every parliamentarian to uphold the Constitution including s 44. if it were a straight forward criminal offence carrying penalties for politicians not to do so they would soon comply and s 44 would not be a problem again. Further, the LNP are peddling the line that to expect politicians to prove their compliance is unfair as it reverses the onus of proof. What nonsense. First, that onus only applies in legal proceedings and nominations for candidacy in an election are not such proceedings so the onus of proof principle does not even apply. Second, but if it did perchance apply, a defendant or accused in a legal proceeding always has the burdon of evidence…that is, must produce some proof or evidence substantiating their claim of compliance or innocence. As they must uphold the Constitution the burdon of evidence is on parliamentarians to substantiate their claim of compliance so the onus of proof is irrelevant. What is relevant to them is the principle of the burdon of evidence upon the acused. Hence, we are hearing more liberal party lies. Here’s a good explanation of the burden of evidence as distinguished from the burden of proof. this is from usa but it also applies in Aust.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/burden-of-evidence/
Turnbull is not “entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power”. If he is indeed Jewish then at this moment he is only entitled to apply for Israeli citizenship, and he would only enjoy the rights and privileges that flow from it if and when it was subsequently conferred. Hack reporting like this smacks of antisemitism.
Getting away from the Brit or US or Jewish aspect, it is necessary to put in context the sort of people we are thinking, who they are really serving.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/07/us-republican-donors-offshore-paradise-papers
They may think they are doing a particular corporation or country a favour clandestinely, but here is, in the end, who or what is being served.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/07/us-republican-donors-offshore-paradise-papers
There you go, two links to the same story. Multiskilling. Don’t forget to view this week’s 4 Corners on the Paradise Papers, for depth.
Great post’s OPPOSE !
Any reason this is not in MSM?
Doesn’t sound anti Semitic whooha, more like anti Turnbull. I think it’s ” hope springs eternal” motivation
Potoroo, you omitted the first part of the quote, changing its meaning.
Section 44(i) of Australia’s Constitution disqualifies someone from office if that person “…is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power…”
Note all the “or” qualifiers. If Turnbull is described by any one of that list then he is ineligible. The specific one Kaye is concerned with is the entitlement part. He doesn’t have to actually be a citizen for this entitlement to to apply.
Hmmm… it occurs to me that having tens of millions of dollars stashed in another country might be considered obvious “allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power” too.
I do understand Michale that a country has the right to say who could and is a citizen but I also thing Australia has the right to say that if you become an Australian citizen under what conditions you can do so. As such it can insist that if you seek Australian citizenship and indicate so you can be protected by Australian Law that prohibits another country from insisting and holding you as their citizen. Part of International Law does protect individuals from extrodition from a country due to citizanship claim by another. As with Josh, Hungary changed its Laws in 2011 now how would he know this. Did Hungary inform him, yes I would like to see the back of him but how does an individual know of every Law or interpretation of Citizanship by another country. Countries make these changes and apply them not only to allow people to be a citizan but to also be financialy liable and can insist in things like conflict that all their citizens return and do their duty. If there is compulsery conscription in Hungary would Josh need to send his children to Hungary to serve. Australia can and should be able to protect its people from other countries if the individual indicates this and by taking out citizanship this should automatically allow you to sever all ties to another (as long you have no financial or criminal obligations). Property is seen this way, you do not have to pay tax in another country even if as a citizan you sell your goods or service in Australia.
Am I alone in thinking this whole matter is little more than ridiculous?
At worst it’s a distraction from what really matters about what’s going on around us but at best it’s a continuing failure of effective governance (as if we had any).
Maybe the Governor General should dissolve Parliament for being ineffectual and call another election.
At least it would speed up resolving the citizenship status of every candidate once and for all.
More on why the weakness of government has become an issue. This is to to do with coal and Loy Yang in Victoria and represents a triumph for the overseas privatised power giants over an increasingly weakened and feeble Australian system.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/08/coal-fired-plant-shifted-1bn-offshore-while-pocketing-117m-from-australian-taxpayers
You see, it is important to know why MP’s must not have covert loyalties to interests inimicable to those of this community; why it is concerning genuine MPs or Senators are removed yet the true frauds remain obscured.
Think of how the Loy Yang example relates to the so much more significant gas royalties issue involving corporations like Chevron, assiduously reported by the Guardian’s Lenore Taylor some months ago, whereby we hand over our resources and pick up tabs in the former of unnecessarily artificially inflated electricity prices at home.
If a Michael Danby, say, upholds the international system regardless of our interests, how is this system with its race wars and surveillance culture ever to to be changed to revert to democracy?
Miriam English
“He doesn’t have to actually be a citizen for this entitlement to to apply.”
Yes, he does. I repeat: if Turnbull is indeed Jewish then at this exact moment in time he is only entitled to apply for Israeli citizenship. Until he does apply and Israeli citizenship is subsequently conferred he is not a citizen and enjoys none of the rights and privileges that flow from it. The Right of Return does not conflict with case law on S44, and I remind you that the challenge to Frydenberg’s eligibility rests on whether or not he is has Hungarian citizenship. The question of his putative connection to Israel has never arisen because until he exercises it it is irrelevant. So too it is irrelevant to Turnbull.
Yes paul, a possible prime example of split allegiances is our PM.
Who’s he representing, the electorate or Goldman Sachs Club of tax-avoiders and their ilk?
Re the Loy Yang power station fiasco and French company Engie pulling a $1B swiftie on our tax system, the solution is obvious (but perhaps not simple):
CHANGE the TAX RULES !!
Hansard gets it. Long may you live in great prosperity!
Did people see the Champion of the Unemployed ranting on Stefanovic’s show this morning.
Am sure the victims of Centrelink would be cheering him on.
How does the System survive, but on monumental lies?
Wait, is that the ghost of Goebbels rattling his chains I hear…
And where is the LNP appointed Governor General in all this?. overseas worshiping war.
I thought Turnbull was a dual citizen of The Cayman Island’s.
Quote of the month Wayne. Its actually a dual citizenship between the Cayman Islands and Bermuda.
Wayne, Paul
Helps to be two-faced…
Sign Avaaz’s letter to Argentine President Mauricio Macri, chair of the G20 to outlaw tax havens:
https://www.avaaz.org/en/paradise_papers_fb_ta/
Ex-British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has promised to personally deliver it.
The G20 is the right home for this issue — and has already made real progress in forcing tax havens to clean up their act. So there’s already momentum, and now the Paradise Papers give us the chance we’ve been waiting for to finish the job.
Wouldn’t Turnbull be pissed if he had to suddenly bring all his millions to Australia and pay fair tax on it.
I’d love to see his face when that happens.
Australia will never see any money from Turnbull. As Trump he sees that to protect his weath the old rule ‘he who has the power makes the rules’. If he was threatened he would not be here. A merchant banker for God’s sake and a f#$/ing lawyer. Would you purchase a used car from him.
That the G20 is anything but a feel good exercise is somewhat fanciful. That the G20 will somehow become significantly more effective in the light of the Paradise Papers is also just wishin and prayin .
Remember the Panama Papers? Yes there was shock, horror followed by a cosmetic response – but nothing of significance. By all means sign the petition. At the same time pray to Santa Claus. The outcome will be the same.
Get real!
Have a read.
https://theconversation.com/panama-papers-force-tax-authorities-to-act-but-what-took-so-long-57433
Even I thought that after Rabbit, Malcolm would be good but now I realise that it was like choosing between getting my foot cut off or loosing an arm and with Malcolm I think my future is ‘soilent green’. May be … if I can make friends with him and get my feet under his dinning table … he knows that is the way you get things, hence the attack on Bill. You have to know the game before you call others out. How much ass kissing did he have to do to get where he is. He must love the taste of sh $#.
Matters Not, perhaps, perhaps not… but you can be certain doing nothing will reap nothing.
If the G20 get demands from millions of citizens they may become motivated, or even scared enough to actually do it. The numbers are mounting astonishingly quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is sufficient outrage that many millions sign on.
Hey Matters Not leave Santa out of this or you will get a lump of coal for Xmas (Adani).
ME, please explain how decisions made at the G 20 become enforceable? Are their penalties for ‘rogues’? Are their rewards for States that comply? If so – then what? One handed clapping? And by whom?
Feel good statements very rarely result in any action of consequence. Take Australia being a signatory to UN Conventions on the treatment of refugees as an example. Any prosecutions in the pipeline? What about Australia’s invasion of Iraq?
And so it goes!
But sign away – it can’t do any harm. (And that’s about the only upside.)
Me I have marched – signed petitions – been arrested – and so on.
There’s ‘their’ – a possessive – and then there’s ‘there’ – which is a noun, an adverb, a pronoun, or an adjective, but it does not show possession.
(I blame the editor. But I will apologise on his behalf.)
With Brexit it was G19 and with Trump it is G18 … but it is still 18.
I note that Trump (as predicted by all and sundry) negotiated a new trade deal with China. (Give me a break)
As usual, these deals are packaged as “non-binding” agreements. Sounds like the likely outcome(s) from the APEC meeting that will flow from Vietnam.
Turnbull was ineligible at the last election under s 44 (v) because he had a pecuniary interest in a Cth contract that was awarded to his company Turnbull & Co. Then he had his department falsify the records of the contract to make it look like the grant was solely to his wife Looosey personally. The original contract was made by the Gillard Labor Gov so Turnbull altered the records of a previous gov. This guy is a crook first class. His sole purpose is to get the TPP in place so he can rely upon the dispute resolution clause and the clauses prohibiting public enterprises competing with multinational corporations so he can clean up the assets of the Australian people using his tax evading Cayman Island ‘vulture’ and litigation lending companies. He won’t be just a multi-millionaire then, he will be a billionaire just like his mentors Rupert and the Rothschilds. He would have joined the club. ‘If greed was a university subject, these conts would have first-class honors’. P. Keating (more or less)
Australia=America
Where is the investigation of ISRAELI “collusion in American elections”?!
https://viableopposition.blogspot.ca/2017/07/washington-which-nation-is-really.html
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/29/how-soon-can-we-get-aipac-owned-traitors-out-of-congress/
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=Q05
How many of YOUR/America’s $4+BILLION in WELFARE given to Israel every year comes back to America in the form of BRIBES to “american” politicians? Traitors voting to give Israel MORE, so they can get bigger BRIBES http://investmentwatchblog.com/former-us-lawmaker-cynthia-mckinney-says-every-candidate-for-congress-has-to-sign-a-pledge-to-vote-for-supporting-the-military-superiority-of-israel/
“Israel Buys the US Congress: Sabotaging the US-Iran Peace Negotiations”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-buys-…um=related_articles
What is good for Israel should be good for America. NO “dual citizen” allowed in government. Israel: Three dual-citizen MKs ordered to annul their foreign passports
by Shahar Ilan – Haaretz – Feb18 2009
The Central Elections Committee has ordered three Knesset members with dual citizenship to annul their foreign passports by next Tuesday’s swearing-in ceremony, or at least begin steps to cancel them.
The three lawmakers are Yohanan Plesner of Kadima (who has Danish citizenship), Nitzan Horowitz of Meretz (a Polish citizen) and Yisrael Beiteinu’s Anastasia Michaeli, who holds a Russian passport. The Basic Law on the Knesset states that “a member of Knesset holding an additional citizenship that is not Israeli … will not take the oath of loyalty until he has done everything he can to relinquish it.” –
Nobody can have loyalty to TWO Nations at the same time. So nobody with “dual citizenship” should be allowed to hold any post in our government, JUST like Israel does.
By the way ……. How many CHRISTIANS sit in the Israeli “knesset”? has ANY? EVER?
CHRISTIAN tax dollars bought and paid for Israel —- their knesset should be 50% CHRISTIAN.
Israel would not EXIST without JESUS CHRIST and the tax dollars of HIS Flock.
What the Jewish Rabbis think of JESUS “As for Christianity, there is a dispute among Halachic authorities, but the vast majority consider it idolatry as well. Islam, on the other hand, is not considered idolatry.”
Read that last bit again VERY SLOWLY so the “christianzionists” can follow: “ISLAM, on the other hand, is NOT considered idolatry.” ………..
“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.” — Benyamin Netanyahu, at the time a former. prime minister”
It is also why the dumbing down of media and press.
OTMP, exactly. Our leaders seem happy to throw the whole economy under the bus for their own familial wealth-generation ideal and expect us to what? Send them a postcard in the Caymans? Re the TPP and other trade deals, how is it that some countries can get sovereign expropriation and Investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) clauses written in their favour but Australia cannot?
Wouldn’t it be good if we had a panel of professional negotiators for future Trade deals, a panel NOT selected by LNP and Labor puppets? Honestly, how hard is it to put Australian interests first in their decision making on behalf of Australians?
@paul, thanks, I’ll see your offer of prosperity and raise you great peace.
Section 44(i) of the Constitution applies to three categories of persons:
a person who is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience or adherence to a foreign power;
a subject or a citizen of a foreign power; and
a person who is entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power.
Turnbull is entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of Israel. As a loyal Zionist he acknowledges his allegiance, obedience or adherence to Israel.
Now that ISIS is defeated the only reason to stay in Syria is to protect Israel.
It doesn’t really make any difference. Federal MPs have to have first loyalty to the USA, second to Israel (not that there is much difference), and third to whoever has the big bucks. Currently China. They may be Australian citizens, but they don’t give a [bleep] about other Australians.
Here is a lengthy, informative article from the blog up the road:
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/does-the-nation-have-a-new-white-australia-foreign-affairs-policy,10913
Actually about the Israel Lobby, it fits in well with a report in the SMH about more FTA nonsense this timebeing negotiated in Vietnam, pertinent to a recent comment here RE Turnbull and his privateinterests.
Update on TPP and Canada dropping out of talks:
Free trade deals are an opportunity for Western nations, besides expanding trade, to:
– promote improvement in human rights and environmental protection mechanisms,
– address inequity issues in developing countries,
– bolster national sovereignty (remove ISDS clauses in trade deals),
– tackle intellectual property rights issues, etc.
I don’t know why exactly Canada dropped out of the TPP (the above rights and issues plus an upcoming election with job protection an issue all seem to play into the decision), but perhaps we could give thanks that standing up for inclusion of such issues as part of any new trade deal is something to our collective benefit.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-canada-not-rushed-tpp-1.4392439
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tpp-trudeau-progressive-1.4390977
How many journalists in Australia could care less about the human face of trade deals?
All we get from the MSM here are endless triple-servings of tripe analysis, dollar values foregone, how clever it is to roll over on ISDS clauses and how ‘pissed’ some petty-minded politician is that one of the TPP team didn’t take one for his nation.
One day leaders of nations will have the courage to put humans first.
Today we’re hindered by a dim-witted MSM and a crop of politicians drunk on power.
The next election can’t come soon enough.
All Jews are entitled to Israeli citizenship and therefore should not be allowed in our Parliament unless they, very publicly, give up that right.
Netaniahu himself lost his US citizenship when serving a political job many years ago. Other politicians that lost their citizenship for the same cause: Golda Meir, Misha Arens, Rabbi Meir Kahana, who fought to get it back and travelled on a travel document to the US in order to restore his American citizenship, until he was assasinated. The Law of Return applies to all Jews, but excludes those who swore under the Oath of Allegiance to the Knesset of Israel. In that instance, the 2nd citizenship is automatically relinquished.
As I understand State laws cannot over ride Commonwealth laws. Whatever applies to the Commonwealth also applies to the States. Therefore Section 44 should also apply to the Jewish Qld premier et al.
Yom Kippur – Liar’s Holiday for Jews worldwide
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by Michael Hoffman
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Yom Kippur begins Friday evening, September 29, wherein the western world will watch in awe as “pious Jews” allegedly “beg God for forgiveness” while supposedly “striving for righteousness.” No doubt that the Pope of Rome and the heads of the Protestant fundamentalist churches will convey their esteem for the Yom Kippur ceremony as performed by “God’s people.”
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On Yom Kippur the infamous Kol Nidrei takes place, almost always explained away to the public as a blessed ceremony of begging God for forgiveness for oaths that were violated, contracts that were broken and promises that were not kept in the past year. The trouble is, that pious picture is a phony.
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In truth, Kol Nidrei is a ceremony whereby:
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1. All the perjury you will commit in the coming year and
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2. All contracts you will sign and violate in the coming year, and
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3. All the promises you will break in the coming year
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— are absolved, with no heavenly punishment accruing as a result.
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That’s the reality of Yom Kippur’s Kol Nidrei rite, and it’s one reason why Yom Kippur is the best-attended of all of Judaism’s synagogue ceremonies. Talmudists like to have an edge and during Yom Kippur that entails making God a senior partner in the sting.
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Read on –
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https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2017/09/30/yom-kippur-liars-holiday-for-jews-worldwide/#more-179044
The Australian people and the Commonwealth of Australia Parliament are all subject to foreign powers, namely the Reserve Bank of Australia and The United Nations.
Malcolm Turnbull – A Prick and a Turd….
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Kevin Moore’s comment: November 23, 2017 at 7:23 am
Vile nonsense.
Have not checked out link,
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Remember when Rudd was campaigning for PM, it comes out in the media(jewish) that he visited a strip club(jewish) but this was no ordinary strip club, it had private rooms, was he compromised with a photo,even caught just in a moment watching kiddy stuff or beastiality, and used against him, because soon after the allegation came out in the media, he stared bagging Iran, a pure sign he was rolled by the zionists.
No non jew would ever run Goldman sachs (Aust), and Turnbullshit hides 158 mill in the Cayman Islands
I can almost see Kevin putting on his Australian flag pj’s and hopping into the bed with the bedspread with Pauline’s face writ large and curling up with his copy of Mein Kampf or the watching and listening to the latest garbage spewing from the mouths of Alex Jones or Andrew Bolt.
…and an anti-vaxxer too. Is he a complete imbecile? C’mon Kevin, tell us about the contrails conspiracy. 😀
When push comes to a shave would an individual claim sanction in another state for protection. Skase did this when questioned about his wealth. Would Turnbull accept and go to Israel as a Jew to protect his freedom. This the point of 44. If you serve and govern in Australia should you have a get out of jail card, or should you be totally held responsible in this country. Extrodition is not allowed if you are a citizen of the country you are in. If something does hapen could Turnbull go to Israel and claim citizenship. Right to citizenship = citizenship.
Miriam, you’re here! 😀😀😀
Hey Michael, I think I’m here too – although in midst of brain fog, can’t be sure about anything.
Anyhoo
For the record, my great grandmother was Jewish (on the matriarchal side) but ostracised from the family when she ran off with the coachman (my great grandfather) who was Baptist. Everyone had to have a religion in the 19th century, right?
Am with Miriam and Paul in that I am not remotely anti-Semitic, but do oppose the invasion of Palestine.
So Kev… go FO with your ravings.
Yep, you’re here, Dianna. It’s all smooth sailing from here on. 😀😀😀
Neither am I but I have had some ‘interesting’ experiences with people from Israel. A few years ago we stayed in a hotel in Chiang Mai for a week – there for the flower festival as were a number of tourists from Israel.
Never ever met such aggressive, selfish travellers – before or since. Perhaps it comes from their recent history? Now, will not stand aside for anyone. Still shaking my head at their aggression in social situations. Cultural not religious – I believe.
Yes! I am here, Michael. 🙂 Yay!
Kevin Moore’s bullshit seems to come and go though.
Just in case this gets through to him, mercury was removed from vaccines almost 20 years ago even though the form and the levels were safe.
Miriam,
I had the same problem. I wrote a reply to Kevin on the old site. On reflection, I can’t be bothered repeating it. As they said of Malcolm Robert’s climate change paper, how do you critique a pile of horseshit?
People manage it with my stuff.
It appears that myself and a few others are using DNS servers that haven’t updated yet. Would it be possible for someone to put theAIMN’s new IP address up here and I will put it up on the old site with a message for those still stranded.
Thanks in advance.
In regards to my previous asking for the IP address, too late. Is done and I can’t go back.
“Just in case this gets through to him, mercury was removed from vaccines almost 20 years ago even though the form and the levels were safe.”
But the aluminium isn’t.
Great to see this. I thought I was alone in interpreting Section 44 as meaning no Jew had standing to sit in the Parliament of Australia. It is perfectly clear in the Constitution, but it has remained unremarked upon anywhere much else. This means that either the Constitution is invalid as a document of Law, or there is a conspiracy at the highest level to subvert the Constitution.
As Israel didn’t exist when the Constitution was written, I doubt that was its intent.
As for aluminium in vaccines…. the amount of aluminium we are exposed to in our food and drink normally is much larger than any vaccine dose.
human breast milk has 40 micrograms of aluminium per litre, and infant formulas contain around 225 micrograms of aluminium per litre. Aluminium is also rapidly excreted – half of any dose of aluminium will be expelled from the body within 24 hours.
Guidelines for aluminium exposure (with a 30-fold safety factor built in) are for aluminium exposure to be less than two milligrams per kilogram of body weight per day. That means someone who weighs 80 kilograms could ingest 100 milligrams of aluminium in a day and remain safe.
All vaccines have less than one milligram of aluminium per dose, and most are below half of that. So exposure to aluminium through vaccines is negligible, and well below the already low risk threshold.
Adding to Kaye’ reply about aluminium in vaccines, the miniscule amount they add (far below safety levels) is to make the vaccine more effective. This allows smaller doses to be given.
What is it with people and vaccines? One corrupt doctor fakes results about autism so that he can get money in an insurance scam and the whole world goes nutso. PB, have you seen photos of the wards with kids in iron lungs paralysed by polio before vaccines nearly eliminated that horrible disease?
https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/1950s_ironlungs_1.jpg
One of my best friends when I was growing up had calipers on his legs due to a slight polio infection. Another friend contracted polio when she was a child and spent much of her childhood in a bed in hospital partially paralysed. As an adult she’s able to walk, but awkwardly. Another child I know was born to parents opposed to vaccination and rendered deaf and partially blind due to infection that could have been prevented with MMR (mumps, measles, rubella) vaccine. Millions of kids used to die or be deeply damaged by childhood diseases that people are now so complacent about they are putting millions more at risk.
And it’s not just their own kids they’re risking. Other kids such as those with leukaemia who can’t develop immunity or are in a weakened state for some other reason and rely upon herd immunity in others are no longer safe, because people listen to panic-merchants who peddle anti-vaccine crap.
John Oliver’s darkly humorous piece about vaccines