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The Language of the Left

It has moved, this language of the left-wing. It no longer holds court as the gobbledygook plaything of the cognoscenti or aficionados of that ‘higher plane” of intellectual lament of the “Intellectual Left”. No longer seen as exclusive to those of “good education” and “polite society” … It too is in rebellion and it is striking out to street-level conversation, street-level politics and discourse … It is getting dirty and mean and full of fight. The language of the Left is once again the language of rebellion!

No longer the staid, predictable “classicism” of well-chosen elocution and “grammar-corrected” syntax. The language of the Left is going “vulgar” … as are the “children of the left-wing” … no longer relying on text-book example, these new revolutionaries are “living the experience” of student poverty, casual-no-conditions-open-employment, out-of-reach housing and rent, no credit available or no reliable employment history or future, health, education, childcare and violence! And now into the dangers of inaction on climate change … These are the basic building blocks of the language of the Left … these are the basic necessities of a decent society.

This has happened before in history … a swing away from what was seen as the exclusive property of the upper middle-classes … those who claimed by right of exclusive education the podium of restraining rhetoric. Always ready with the glib word or sentence to take command of the radical mood … to “throw oil on troubled waters” … always the plea for calm tempers … always “tomorrow”, they say, “Domani! Domani!” .. tomorrow, tomorrow! Always there to hold at bay the common people’s clenched fist o.f anger … svelte, persuasive and calming … the drug of “Soma” to a people outraged … ”The sensible centre” they call! … in effect working for that same end as those of the extreme right-wing who would extract the very life-blood from the vulnerable … the pause in reaction time enough for a quick shift in policy by the conservatives that halts the “crossing of the line” by a vengeful citizen body … allowing both parties, the centre-left and the centre-right to go together to their exclusive clubs and drink their expensive wine, slap each other on the back and give a low whistle of thanks for a politically dangerous moment diffused.

But no more!

No more hiding behind or giving preference to the “consciousness of kind” confederation of the middle-class rulers … When the producers of all they claim right to possess, be it wealth, prestige, power, security … is no more than what we … the producers of society; the working people / farmers / engineers / health professionals and tradespeople … make for and supply to them … they are nothing without us … nothing! But we would not even miss their persons or their hustling and swindling for more than a day … just one day … to realign our lives … to adjust to a new system.

Time to skim the scum off the top of society.

The language of the Left is being spoken by the Unions … by the casual conversations among those most affected by the cuts and cruelty of conservative politics. It is being interpreted into the many tongues of this multi-cultural country … No longer just English as a mother tongue, it is the common language of those who know when they are being done over, bullied, sold-out, demonised and abused. This language of the Left needs no grammatical purity, it is cleansed by the wash of brevity of message, the shout of demand for fair treatment, it is purified by the air of honesty and honourable intent. The language of the Left is a rich vein of revolutionary elocution and vernacular under stood by every worker in every native tongue at any time in history on this Earth. The language of the Left is the language of rebellion against poverty and corruption, against unfair work practices and conditions … against that corrupt lobby that will not act to protect our children’s future against an extreme climate change … The language of the Left is the crying torrent of a wild-river from the people!

“Change the rules!” is the cry in the streets from the union members and marchers … and I say over and over; “Change the rules / Change the ruling class!” … because it is no use just replacing one set of private-schooled right-wing elites with another set of the private-schooled intellectual-left … They are too closely affiliated, too closely nurtured under the same Latin-logo’d portico … too chummy by half and we have seen too many times those highly educated “left-politicians” retire to a well-paid sinecure with some multi-national corporation that works against the interests of the producing classes!

Change is a natural evolution against stagnation … does not a flood cleanse the stagnant ponds from a dead river? It is a demand for the status quo to remain in situ that causes corruption …

So to change the rules, we must change the ruling class … It must be done … We can no longer afford – literally – to defer management and control to that class just because they have a broader or more expansive vocabulary and network of intrigue. There are enough of the producing class now with tertiary qualifications who can both understand and speak for their own people and rule the nation.

Of course there will be those who will wave away such concerns as I raise here … after all, it is they who will lose … they, who for many years have been claiming as our representative, the rewards in both kudos and political position that our power of the vote has given them … and yet, here we are in the twenty-first century … still in poverty, still fighting for even a modicum of rights and services that is due to the most destitute of our class. Here we are still marching in the streets trying to get a fair deal for the young, vulnerable and the unemployed against a mob of thieving, ruthless bastards that want the right to wallow in unlimited wealth and luxury while there are so many without either home or secure job and on a miser’s wage and we see the natural world collapsing around our ears.

No … no more … The language of the Left is changing and it is being “owned” by a new generation that is unafraid to lift the banner and hold the lines for fair wages and conditions … respect in both home and workplace … and security of employment and a chance to own their own home if they so desire.

Really … It’s not that much to ask … and seriously, do we have any choice?


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  1. Shaun Newman

    Yes, Joe, the language of the Left is being spoken by the Unions. As more and more working class people realize that their wages are being garnished by tory policies of this extremist right-wing Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison L’NP government which is why wages have flatlined bringing living standards down.

    At last, they are beginning to understand that the only platform they have is the Union movement and they are joining in increasing numbers though membership is at a low base. We have seen big protests around the country with more to come. The intellectual Left has lost importance in favor of a grassroots movement which is always what the Left should have been about. The philosophers of the Left are all piss and wind. What we need to do is see real tangible results for the majority of working people and their families.

    I liked your reference to “oil on troubled waters” Joe, the book written by Dr. Jim Cairns Deputy Prime Minister under Whitlam who followed Lance Barnard from memory. Whitlam did the most of any Labor Prime Minister of Australia in my memory. We need another reforming Labor Prime Minister but will have to settle for Shorten and hope he does shift the economy in our favor.
    We working class people have lost much in the past 5 years under this extremist right-wing regime, and need a huge catch-up just to return to what we had prior to the regime gaining power.

  2. Pilot

    Great article Joseph, great read.

    Hopefully a NIC/ICAC will force the lying right to STFU, but I doubt it.

  3. Kaye Lee

    You may want to read up on the suffragette movement.

    Or the Vietnam marches.

    Or the Reconciliation march.

    Or teachers’ strikes.

    Or the March in March.

    You may want to check up on what university students actually protest about, not just now but historically, not just here, but everywhere.

    Once again, I find your put-down of anyone with an education and your stereotyping to be very narrow-sighted. It is a recurring theme Joseph which, for me, detracts from your message which I largely agree with.

  4. Karen Kyle

    Your anti intellectualism is showing Joe. It isn’t funny. It is rather uncouth.

  5. Joseph Carli

    Kaye-Lee… I don’t want any “joining” or reconcilliation between the centre-left and the far left..I want a complete overthrow of that class of left leadership!….I want total control by the producing classes (as mentioned in the piece above)….I don’t even want to be aligned with the centre-left..I want them GONE from the place…sure..I know it’s not going to happen….but I still WANT it and don’t even think I will give condescension to that style of leadership…I don’t want “Mr Nice Guy”…I want REVOLUTION!

  6. Joseph Carli

    ” Your anti intellectualism is showing Joe. “…well..maybe we are sick of the “clever people” running the show…and nothing seems to get any better…except for the clever people themselves…

  7. Joseph Carli

    Is this what you mean by “suffragette” , K’…:

    Or this?..:
    My Mother: ..the cleaner.

    So how would I know of the relationship between middle-class women and their poorer cleaners?..I know because my mother was one of those poorer cleaners..for most of her working life…She used to take me with her when I was a child…and she continued way past the time I was a young man, when she used to take my young sibling with her…She would tell me the everyday events in the lives of her “Ladies” she used to call them..though she was not a gossip and the women would confide in her to an almost embarrassing depth that sometimes shocked her.
    Many of these Ladies were from the professional class that needed a cleaner to keep on top of the housework that their two-bit husbands didn’t do..lazzeroni!..I remember many tales she later related to me when I would visit her..
    I remember her telling me that one wealthy woman from an elite address confessed to her that she made it a point to NEVER pay any account until she had got the third threatening letter just in case the company wrote the bill off as a lost cause..
    But most of all, I remember this one aged lady she was devoted to..My mother even near retirement age herself, would walk the two kilometres to the woman’s place on a Monday evening to put her rubbish bin out for the Tuesday pick-up…at no cost..just because she was such a long term client ..25yrs in fact…and in all that time, I can only recall my mother telling me once in surprise that :
    “Oh..I was given an extra dollar for my cleaning at Mrs. R..’s on Friday..she pressed it into my hand and whispered (though there is never anyone there but her and myself) that in future I can look forward to that little bit extra…and she patted my hand..”
    But she was devoted to old Mrs. R.. a retired professional who “had rooms” somewhere in the city..The husband was a university professor in some faculty..I did know once, but I have forgotten..Anyway, after he died, my mother became almost, from what I could gather, the closest companion of that old Lady…They had a couple of children, also now professional people, but they were never around much ..shades of Harry Chapin?..As a matter of fact, my mother saved her life a couple of times by climbing through the small (my mother was always a slight build) toilet window to assist the woman who had collapsed on the floor..
    One time, however, when my mother was not there, the woman had a fall and was not found for several days and she was in critical care in hospital in a bad way..My mother went to visit her and though Mrs. R.. had her eyes shut, my mother told me she was sure she was aware..
    “I sat next to her and said hello and told her I had cleaned the house and attended to the cat and taken out the rubbish bin and whatever..I knew she would have wanted that..and she reached for and held my hand…I could feel she hadn’t long to live and she held my hand so tight..even for the frail little thing she was .she held my hand so that when the nurse came in to check on her she saw and asked me if I was her seems that I was her only visitor, and her children had not been…and I had to say that no…(and my mother shrugged her shoulders and grimaced somewhat at the thought of the moment) I was her house cleaner..”
    So yes…Mrs. R..did die and after the funeral and all was settled, the children gave my mother $500.00 in recognition of her services for 25 years…my mother was delightfully surprised.
    But they’re like that, the middle-classes…generous to a fault.
    Now what was it one wealthy client demanded of me when I went to make a quote for a job..Oh yes..: “I want the best possible the cheapest possible price.”….yes..that was it.

  8. Michael Taylor

    And I took to the streets with dozens of uni lecturers and hundreds of uni students demanding better services for the First Australians.

  9. Joseph Carli

    And I was working alongside them in Darwin..on building sites and playing sport with them and drinking with them and we had no problems one on one….but seriously, has to be asked…with all that protesting, all that marching…do we not STILL have in-situ racism in our Houses of Parliament so that the Uluru Statement is rejected?…so perhaps that “long march” that so many did all that time ago was just to a dead-end street that will need a bulldozer to push through the intellectual obfuscation and fillerbusting…but the “clever people” always say …: “Domani! Domani!”….

    Well maybe “tomorrow” is about here and now!

  10. Michael Taylor

    Joe, you make it sound that we educated people are your enemy. We are not!

  11. Kaye Lee

    Joseph, that is great that you were working and socialising with Aboriginal people. Do you think if you were a neonatal nurse or a teacher or an endocrinologist you may have seen some problems that may have needed addressing and that may have been outside the skill set of the tradies to fix?

  12. Joseph Carli

    Not the enemy, Michael…but perhaps the “intellectualising of the subject” to the point of talking it to death stalls what should be action on the object!…Perhaps there has been enough discussion and now there needs to be some more action…Look at your area of expertise in Indigenous Affairs…most ALL serious problems re; health, welfare, crime, drugs are not much better NOW than they were back in the seventies!…Why?..because of the endemic racism STILL not addressed in a practical way…but talked into infinity..while the pain and suffering goes on…and the same could be said for many ethnic and class disadvantaged…it really has been talked to death, Michael…then resurrected, flogged, kicked down the road and talked to death again!…Perhaps this is where Karen can come into the conversation with her theories on Jewish transmigration of souls!

    I’m not trying to start a fight…I’m wanting to finish it!

  13. Shaun Newman

    I agree with Joe, look at where the “clever people” have gotten us, no bloody where millions of Aussies living in poverty while the ‘intellectuals’ sit back sipping their chardonnay in their million dollar houses. It’s not before time that the real producers of the profit were fairly compensated. And yes Joe revolution if the Australian public were not so apathetic that’s what we would have now!

  14. Joseph Carli

    K’…: ” that may have been outside the skill set of the tradies to fix?”…never came across a problem couldn’t be fixed with a good session down at the Dolphin Hotel…

  15. Joseph Carli

    Yeah, well…didn’t hurt the French,

  16. Michael Taylor

    I’d like to think that I’ve done a lot for Indigenous Australians. It was only possible because my credentials got me a government job and I was in remote Australia for three years.

    But don’t take my word for it. You might want to go to any of the Adnyamathana communities in the Flinders Ranges or around Port Augusta and ask them.

    I was honoured to be made an Adnyamathana person as reward for my efforts. I’m one of the brothers.

  17. Joseph Carli

    Michael…I take nothing from them as has put in the hard yards…But what good was done all those years ago has been slowly undone by successive LNP administrations…and now there doesn’t need to be criticism directed toward those most guilty of this sorry state of affairs, but like the banking royal comm’…there REALLY NEEDS to be some criminal charges drawn up!…and the law needs to “be seen to be done”.

  18. Joseph Carli

    That young boy I wrote about in my last post :”Passwords” who was placed in state care at Two years old for “being illegitimate” and then grows up to just get killed under suspicious circumstances by strychnine at Mildura at 15yrs…the entire circumstances of his life lost to history because none wanted to write about it…yet he must have been under the care of Kate Cocks at the Edwardstown Industrial School where she served as school mistress and sub-matron…now THERE was a strange individual!…disciplinarian..used to “patrol” the parklands with the nick-name of : “Two feet apart” as her catch-cry when spotted lovers in an embrace on the lawns…

    Yet she has accolades heaped upon her…How many gravitas people do we hear interviewed in these times who are “saving the world” and Karvalas rolls off their qualifications for doing just that and we hear reports and “good people” ad-infinitum roaming the world and reporting back..and sure..there are MANY who do put in the hard Michael above…but by jeezus…there are a lot who get the glittering prizes for achieving so very little…

    You just get so sick of it…talk talk talk…

    I remember this kid in primary school standing near the goal posts of a footy game in progress in the lunch hour..the ball flew into his arms and he just held onto it, thereby saving the goal…he wasn’t in any one’s team and there was great negotiating to get him onside…I believe even a half roll of life-savers was offered!….but he deferred for so long trying to beat up the offers, one kid just shouted..: “Just kick the effin’ ball!” and he kicked it from the boy’s arms and it smacked the kid in the head and he lost the opportunity and went off bawling his eyes out and the game played on regardless…

    The talking has gone on for too long!

  19. Kaye Lee

    The people who are really achieving things helping others, and there are many of them, don’t really care about glittering prizes.

  20. Florence Howarth

    Nothing wrong with being educated. Just have to keep in mind, what we learnt long ago, Jack is as good as his master. Not only keep in mind but believe it. We have seen generations where people are no longer proud of being workers. That somehow we have it all wrong.

    Leftie, socialism etc have become insults, not something we were once proud of.

  21. Joseph Carli

    Trouble is, those “glittering prizes” are held up as the “achievement criteria” for respect of a person’s credibility…or a program’s the benchmark to aspire for if you want to get listened to…if you want to get funding ..if you want to be taken seriously…but at the same time, it draws both attention and effort away from the “job at hand”…and it gets left to the volunteers and dedicated people to struggle on underfunded and weary…and if “success” of some sort is achieved, suddenly the program is “discovered” and some “celeb’ official” steps up to the microphone and in a plummy voice and an arm-full of credentials welcomes everyone to the latest novelty good works..or something like that…

  22. Joseph Carli

    Look!..those bastards like Abbott and Abetz and others in the LNP / IPA / Murdoch media are throwing every thing they have to cause division in the country through racism, ethnic division and religious hatred…EVERYTHING THEY HAVE..and we have a multi-cultural society that is a genie that is NOT going to be put back in the bottle no matter what they try to surely it is better if those agents provocateurs were charged with sedition or destroying public order or some other charge, removed from office and banished from society..thrown in jail or a gulag somewhere, so that the nation can start to heal and develop in a decent way…you know it makes sense!

  23. Kaye Lee

    Actually, when I was on the management committee for a local homeless youth refuge, someone who was well-trained in writing submissions and policies was what worked. There weren’t many prizes handed out in that field but the competition for funding was intense. We had to be able to jump through hoops, mainly in the policy and procedures department, to get the accreditation that secured our funding. Everyone conceded our results, including our outreach program supporting kids who had moved on, was outstanding but we still had to dazzle them with paperwork.

  24. totaram

    Today, our species has developed a technologically advanced civilisation, that most of us are in no position to fully understand. Simple, uneducated anger will get us nowhere. The oligarchs will bamboozle us and befuddle us in no time. Electricity prices? Why are they so high? Any idea? Why don’t we just build some new coal -fired power stations and solve the problem? That is what the govt is now saying. How do you know it is wrong? You cannot even suggest an answer or a solution unless you understand the technology. Can you do that without education?

    I appreciate your sentiments, but you need to be a bit more practical. Your ideas might have made sense if we were a pre-industrial society. In today’s world education and learning are a prerequisite for challenging the status -quo, unless you want to smash everything and go back to a pre-industrial level (a possible approach but not to my liking).

  25. Joseph Carli

    Didn’t I write that there are enough working class tertiary trained people now to run the show?..I’m not talking 21st century Luddite behaviour..I’m talking about breaking the continuity of middle-class leadership in governance…all those private-schooled politicians being shunted out to be replaced by first generation producing-class tertiary educated people…and a smattering of tradies and other semi-professional people…
    Just good, wholesome, down to earth folk…

  26. Matters Not


    Just good, wholesome, down to earth folk

    Entering or departing?

  27. totaram

    Joseph Carli: Just look at the people in the coalition who started life as the children of poor working-class immigrants, who benefited from all the welfare and social safety nets they were provided. But now they believe all those things are wrong and would like to undo them. I don’t need to provide a list of examples. The simplest one is probably Joe Hockey, who protested against a $250 fee at Uni for something or the other.

    Just because you have working class roots means nothing (sadly).

  28. Joseph Carli

    That’s a red herring, totaram.

  29. Kaye Lee

    Not really. Working class roots don’t automatically confer morals, ethics. integrity, compassion, empathy, skill. And what class is a guy who started out as a builder and ended up a rich property developer? What class is someone who had rich parents and private schooling but is now estranged from their family? Class is a difficult thing to nail down in Australia. It is usually judged by income and wealth or address which have little to do with ethics and are not always an indication of where someone started.

  30. Joseph Carli

    A person who may start out from working class roots but becomes a speculator/entrepreneur/property developer is hardly likely to join or promote a political party that wants to curtail or perhaps strip him of illicit gained wealth…and a person who starts life as a progeny of wealth and then becomes outcast may support or promote socialist ideals, but personally, I would not trust him in a sensitive position…class will out just as blood will out!

  31. Karen Kyle

    A person’s politics often has to do with temperament and personality.

    The more complex the world becomes the more we need specialists and experts

    We can’t do without a high degree of specialisation in education

    We don’t know how to educate people for the workforce of the future.

    Continuing automation means further loses of millions of jobs.

    Workers might be surplus to requirements in the future. It is happening now.

    Right wing neo consevative politics and economics has been harmful. A swing back to the left is happening.

    How effective will national governments of any kind be vis a vis globalisation, free trade and internationally meshed interdependant economies?

    High unemployment in the future will mean a loss of working class economic and political power.

    Problems ahead, and especially for workers.

  32. Michael Taylor

    I was born into a working-class family. Left school at 16 because my Dad refused to pay for any more text books. He demanded I get a job instead.

    I didn’t go to uni until I was 42. Have two degrees (one honours) and a diploma. Yet I’m probably working harder for the working-class and the lower-class now than at any time in my life.

  33. Joseph Carli

    Yeah well, never left the working class…you just got some eddekation.

  34. Carol Taylor

    Joseph, I have to admit to being working class and someone who was also fortunate enough to receive a tertiary education. My father was a factory worker, a belt maker (defunct trade) to be precise. I count myself fortunate to have been able to study which then gave me the ability to assist children with disabilities.

  35. Joseph Carli

    I’m not mocking, Michael…But I tell you what…What’s all this justifying of oneself?…by so many of you..who gives what your education or status’s not my business..I’m not some grand inquisitor…and why all the sensitivity all of a sudden?…hell, the article is just my opinion on what I’d like to see…

  36. Michael Taylor

    Joe, it was a great post and I agree with what you said. It’s the mocking bit that gets people offside.

    Given my background, I’m proud of what I’ve achieved. And no, I’m not justifying myself to you, or anybody.

    You chose to mock what I’ve done. You did so without knowing my history.

    Some people treat mocking on sensitive issues as an attack. When one is attacked … one defends.

    If I’m being sensitive it is because this is a sensitive issue. I ask you to accept that.

  37. Kaye Lee

    Joseph, you give the impression that you regard people who work with their minds rather than their hands as worthless dilettantes. You seem to feel that they consider themselves superior to the “producers”, as opposed to just being good at different things, and you project resentment. We aren’t different classes at war with one another as you seem to suggest. We need each others skills.
    Some people are just ignorant assholes regardless of education or job.- that’s the way it goes

  38. New England Cocky

    @Kaye Lee1: Agreed.

    @Joseph Carli 1-16: Perhaps Joseph you need to get out more, among tertiary students, especially university students working for social change in Legal Aid law offices, non-profit community assistance organisations, church groups, and anywhere that students congregate.

    The problem for the ruling classes is that too many “working class kids” have shown themselves to be excellent at everything that they attempt, especially management! So where will the spoilt brats of aspiring middle class parents, educated in private schools at enormous public expense for a third rate child care system to provide impeccable social networks, be employed after school when the competition from these working class kids is simply too strong that the middle class off-spring are pushed onto the dole queues?

    Australians are unlikely to be anything like the Bader Meinhoff German group, that is just too ridiculous a course!!

  39. terence mills

    The other evening Julia Baird on The Drum commented on the difficulty of getting coalition politicians to appear on the ABC (not just The Drum) and the observation was made that they – the coalition politicians – favour Sky because they are intimidated and fearful of the power of Murdoch AND that it is Liberal policy to destroy public broadcasting in Australia. Why else would coalition pollies be queuing to get on Sky with its abysmal ratings ?

    You may remember that back in June the federal council of the Liberal party voted 39 in favour of the sale of the ABC while 10 delegates voted against : Eric Abetz was jubilant.

    The motion was “That federal council calls for the full privatisation of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, except for services into regional areas that are not commercially viable.”

    That last tag-on qualification was presumably to recognise that Rupert doesn’t really want to operate in the bush but give him the metropolitan cities and he’ll undoubtedly toss a bone to the country just as he has with giving WIN free to air access to Sky in country areas.

    In promoting the motion Karina Okotel a Liberal Vice President – known mainly for her strident opposition to marriage equality – said this :

    “The motion is an aspirational statement by the membership that in the 21st century the days of needing the government to fund a national broadcaster in metropolitan areas are over.”

    “The private sector produces content faster, cheaper and more efficiently, and to ask them to compete against the government is completely unfair.

    While she mentions production of ‘content faster, cheaper and more efficiently‘ by the private sector she did not comment on quality but then again,she was probably thinking about high rating guff like the bachelor and Bachelorette and the host of cooking shows which can be put to air on the smell of an oily-rag – cold pressed of course.

    Despite what the Liberals have since said about this federal council initiative, it remains their policy and a future Liberal government will, if elected in 2019, consider that they have a mandate.

    In my view, this subversion of the Australian way of life is the biggest threat we have with this or any future coalition government and we ignore it at our peril. The Murdoch minions have cynically played every market the have been in using freedom of speech and communication as their rallying cry and seeking to destroy public broadcasting in the name of what they call a level playing field.

  40. Michael Taylor

    Joe is right about one thing: we need a revolution in this country.

    Not one where we arm ourselves and storm Canberra, but a revolution in attitudes. We need to rise up from our slumber, rub our sleepy eyes, and recognise that the country is morally and ethically bankrupt.

  41. Joseph Carli

    Michael…I’m not mocking you or any others…oh..perhaps K’Lee…but it’s her sanctimonious puffery that shits me…and why shouldn’t I be pissed off…we all get pissed off at some things…even that epitome of patient endurance, Karen Kyle loses her cool now and then…and then there’s what-is-name…SAY!…anyway..where has that old Australian tradition gone of “taking the piss” out on those that set themselves up as the be-all and end-all of whatever?…and if one is so sensitive that they get offended at a tad of picky-picky…what hope for when the heat really gets poured on…
    Anyway..I give some the shits…I know that..I’m not here to make friends..”The Mt Barker Friends of Steam engines, salt seperators and winnowers” is the place I go to for that..Like when I put up that sympathetic piece ; “I’m worried about you ladies”.. that was nothing more harmful than my adoration of watching and making observations about women as they go about their everyday business and K’Lee and that Di-art and others from the “League for sanctimonious women and the blessed Virgin Mary” got me chased off the site like I was some sort of leper, with a hue and cry the like has never been seen since Dr. Maxwell Mitchell got wound up back last May!…I mean..just because I was making observations about women in general…hey!..a bloke enjoys watching women..Christ!! That’s news!!

    Hey!..I gotta ask..: Do you all go into the weekend stone cold sober or summat?….jeez!

    I mean….c’mon, people…don’t worry about getting a life…just get the old vocab’ going!

  42. Kaye Lee

    Oh I get it now. If someone doesn’t agree wholeheartedly with you it is sanctimonious puffery and they just can’t take a joke. You may offer your opinions but theirs are worthless. But I seem to recall you saying how sensitive you are and how you are only just recovering from hurt feelings.

    NO-ONE got you chased off the site. Whatever went on between you and management is your own affair Joseph. It seems to me that you are the precious petal here.

    And it may come as a surprise to you, but not all women enjoy being ogled.

  43. Michael Taylor

    OK, perhaps the word “mocking” was the wrong one, and I admit it. But it did appear that you were being critical of me for marching. It is your right to be critical, as is my right to march.

    If I took it wrong, and that criticism was not intended, then I apologise.

  44. Michael Taylor

    Joe, those ladies never had you chased off the site. Not at all. I’d like to think you are always welcome here, and I’m sure that everyone would agree with me.

    A post was removed. That is all. Hell, I’ve even had one of my posts removed. So has Victoria Rollison. So has Roswell. And others I can’t remember.

    Your post was removed by Carol because it was sexist. It was nothing personal against you.

  45. Joseph Carli

    Listen..chill out…here..I can see you need a bit of the old proverb/parable thingo here…: My old mate; Frank the brickie told me this one..He once worked for Bianco Builders…a bricklaying gang out in the Eastern suburbs…and in that company, the foremen brickies were paid on a commission basis of so much per thousand bricks laid, so the foremen were pushing the brickies to lay as many bricks as possible as quickly as possible..anyway, one day this brickie was cutting a brick with his know..holding the brick in one hand and using the edge of the trowel to whack it hard and break it in half..well, this time his thumb got in the way and he whacked the edge of the trowel down on it nearly severing it from his hand…Well..he was yelping and dancing around in pain and blood everywhere and the other brickies gathered around to see the damage so the foreman soon notices they have stopped working..
    “Hey!..what’s going on?” he yells.
    “It’s Biachio..he’s nearly cut his thumb off!” a worker calls back.. The foreman pushes his way to the man, grabs his offending hand and looks at the damage…
    “Ahh…it’s just a flesh wound…You worry too much…LAY BRICKS!!”

    And I now use that expression as the axiom for judging a situation…so I say to you ..:
    “You worry too much..LAY BRICKS!”

  46. Joseph Carli

    Yeah..well..that’s fair enough , Michael..I reckon I’ve got about as much mileage from that line as I can now anyway..I’ll give THAT one a rest…..
    But I tell you what, people…I got this little yarn tucked up my sleeve about just such a situation as we see here..where stubborn stickling for procedure brings a ‘upstanding’ bloke undone…I’ll ask the management if they’ll put it up as a weekend “moral lesson” to us all…after all..I see myself as that reed in that old maxim..: “The oak and the reed”…it doesn’t do any harm for us all to “bend a little and take it” once in a while….and I like to think I can take it like a man.

  47. marty

    Good work Joe…. may not agree with everything but at least you argue with some fire and passion something i generally don’t see from the so called intellectual left, far to easily cowered into standing with the right under the guise of “community standards” when the mainstream boundary’s are pushed…….. eg….watch when Murdoch dies how they will all stand as one to pay respects to a great Australian and condemn anyone who dares to call him for what he is, a selfish fcking prick with no redeeming features whatsoever.

  48. Joseph Carli

    ” watch when Murdoch dies . . .”………….Hey…wouldn’t you like to be the mortician there with Rupert on his stomach on the slab and you with the jumbo-sized pump-gun of silicone ready to shove up……….

  49. Anthony Andrews

    Wow. Best article I’ve read in a long time, do you want to know why?

    Because of the comments it’s inspired.

    Our ‘monopoly on the truth’ prevents us from discussing ‘class’ without taking what’s said or written objectively.
    We take it personally. Anything that appears to characterise us individually or challenge our own beliefs needs to be defended. It’s not our fault though, it’s because we believe in gods and kings.

    Personally, until it was highlighted in the comments, I didn’t think Joe was trying to pit the ‘intellectual left’ against the ‘unwashed worker’.
    My interpretation was that each voice is as important as each other… comparing each other’s level of ‘expertise’ or effort on representing others, reads like a dick measuring competition and is a classic example of the real ‘class struggle’.

    It’s not our fault that we think like this, it’s a reflection of the world as it is presently.

    We have been trained to think like this as a society. It’s probably a bit genetic as well, I guess.

    We’re scared. We’re confused. We’re ignorant (ignorant just means unaware, so please don’t get offended by my using the word) and we want to be led. An indication of this is our obsession with finding someone to blame, building our hatred, then seeking revenge.
    We invented god for the same reason. We don’t want personal responsibility, we expect someone else to do the thinking for us. We want a protector, a superhero. And when it doesn’t go to our liking, a villain.

    It’s a problem.

    An example is the comment “we need another Whitlam, Shorten may not be up to the job”, not a direct quote, so please don’t pedantically point that out, I know it’s not word for word, but I’m just trying to make a point. We want to elect a new king. We have trouble actually believing that ‘the collective’ has a right to decide on things together.

    At this point in time, we want to change male dominated society, but the aim (as far as I can see) is to just replace the present dominant with a female version of the same thing. Matriarch, instead of Patriarch. Soon we’ll be able to blame Mummy as well as Daddy.

    We invented god to tell us what to do. Academics spend countless hours absorbing and arguing over the leadership of pharaohs, emperors, kings and other individuals of history.

    What they all have in common, is that examples of real collective leadership is thin on the ground. Name one of history’s leaders that viewed themselves as ‘one of the pack’?
    Blokes like Marx, Lenin and Trotsky may have spoken for us, but they never actually considered themselves one of us. They spoke on our behalf.
    And it’s not their fault. We create their god like status.

    How difficult do you reckon any meeting with employers or even other ‘progressive’ groups or governments are when almost everyone in those meetings see themselves and their ‘truth’ as the top of the tree, and put their own interests first, I’m not just saying personal interest, but the wishes of those who’s ‘interests’ they represent as well.

    And when everyone they represent looks at those individuals like they have all the answers.

    It must be difficult for anyone placed above the collective in the minds of others to stay grounded and not also believe they have all the answers also.

    How can we achieve anything for the collective as a whole, when individuals at the helm consider themselves as Uber Alles (above others). This is a societal phenomenon and, I’m no judge, people are who they are, but we need to accept that reality.

    Unfortunately, when those at the helm believe they have a monopoly on the truth, the collective goes backwards.

    Our complete faith and reliance on ‘their’ success or failures may make it easier for us to reject any personal responsibility, but it’s hardly an example of a working collective.
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the combined knowledge, experience and input from ALL perspectives the only way to truly destroy the barrier of ‘class’?

    University educated, illiterate, from the factory floor, old or young, aren’t important in our fight to ‘change the rules’, mind set is.

    For example, an admin of a Facebook page is a ‘leader’ of a collective.
    We need leaders, but the way some people execute their position of authority’ is pretty autocratic. If you don’t agree with them, swear or defend your point against emotional, yet empty rhetoric, you get blocked… it happens to me all the time.
    Because I kinda understand what can happen when commenting, I try to always be respectful, but it doesn’t work. Still get blocked.

    People generally, think like a boss (don’t be too offended, society and our genes have trained us that way, don’t take it personally) and we don’t see the irony of that when we’re discussing ‘class’.
    It’s pretty natural for most people to govern in that manner.
    But why are we so unforgiving of others that see the world the same way?

    Until we all stop believing in the right of kings and gods to control our lives, any chance of uniting and removing the concept of ‘class’ is pointless.

    No saviour is gunna save ya.

  50. Kaye Lee

    Joe, you are a great story teller and many people enjoy your work. We are on the same side. I would never denigrate the contribution you make as an author and I have only admiration for the people with the skills to make things. I would be well and truly stuffed without them. I do get antsy about attitudes to women and women being portrayed as objects of desire when they are just going about their daily business. But maybe you have to be a woman to understand how creepy it feels. I am overly sensitive to it and have spent a lifetime calling it out. But I have no beef with you personally Joe. I don’t get angry about stuff on the internet. We are both just expressing our personal opinions, though I do think it kind of pretentious to suggest you will provide us with a “moral lesson”.

  51. Joseph Carli

    Kaye..: ” And it may come as a surprise to you, but not all women enjoy being ogled.”

    Ah..Kaye…we men are such weak things when it comes to women and their natural attraction….we’ve all been there..

    “. . . for love is a cruel mistress..on every kiss she puts a price and every embrace is measured.”

    The Siren’s Song.

    The Siren sang her song.
    Irresistible in her comeliness.
    And yes..I answered..
    Along with others,
    But oh..;
    The clues were numerous,
    The seduction of her face,
    The perils of her warm embrace.
    Small things ; gifts and trinkets
    To secure her exclusiveness.
    Along with mine..
    Shipwrecked upon her palliasses.

    Now, behind cold glass,
    I touch her face,
    My fingers hesitate on lacq’d plate
    Of the silvered frame.
    She smiles out at me.
    Again the Siren song my heart fills.
    She is calling…!
    She is calling…!
    I cannot resist..does she love me still ?
    I am falling…
    I am falling…

    I am falling…

  52. Joseph Carli

    Great comment Anthony…very well spoken…and thank you for it.

    Kaye…I didn’t see your comment before putting up my “siren” piece..and certainly…there is too much purving and not enough observing by men…and I do not claim innocence at that..I have to admit ogling and enjoying the moment and movement of a particularly beautiful specimen of gens feminius homo-sapienus…dammit!…you think I want to!!!??…it’s a torment…!..there..I just then fell into trying to be funny..but I know..we’re on the same side…we’ll work it out……………….one day……promise!

  53. Kaye Lee

    Joe, think of this. Do you look at your mother or your sister or your daughter as a juicy ripe fruit waiting to be peeled? If you can view them as female people rather than attractive sexual objects, then maybe you could employ that same thinking with other women.

  54. Joseph Carli

    Aww..c’mon, Kaye…mothers, sisters and daughters don’t come into it..they are other blokes problems…Jesus!..if we were to think on those lines we blokes would be quivering psychological messes!…nah!..we can chew gum and whistle at the same time…and hey let’s be serious…if men didn’t entertain the idea of having sexual relations with women, we’d ALL die virgins!!

    You know what I find most offensive with this new-age “women’s movement”?….It is the promoted presumption that women do not want, seek nor enjoy illicit sexual contact….sure …no-one wants nor seeks violence as part of that social adventure…but I have lived long enough and “wandered” wide enough to have experience enough of the delightful means and methodology of feminine intrigues..

    Most women will agree that we men are very forgetful…and just between yourselves and ourselves..I would suggest there ought to be a degree of thankfulness that in some circumstances we are just that…………if you get my drift.

  55. Michael Taylor

    I worked with a bloke – a true Lefty and a union man to the bone – who came over to my desk and said; “Feast your eyes on this. It’s a pic of a topless Brittany Spears at 16.”

    I thought; “You disgusting pervert. You have two daughters around that age (15 and 17). How would you like it if it was one of your daughters?”

    You’ll be pleased to know that I had no intention of looking at a topless girl the same age as not only his daughters, but also many of my friend’s daughters.

  56. Kaye Lee

    I have never sought nor wanted illicit sexual contact. I have had to fight against men who think, despite the fact that I have a partner, I will welcome their attention. I have been faithful to the same man for 42 years and I am very content with that choice. And I would be very grateful if all other men just ignored the fact that I am female. Your life has obviously been different. That is your choice. But that does not mean that all women welcome your perusal. When I am at work, my gender is irrelevant. When I am shopping, I should be able to do so without feeling I am under the gaze of strange men.

  57. Joseph Carli

    ” When I am shopping, I should be able to do so without feeling I am under the gaze of strange men.”………oops!…bad news, Kaye…

    ” You’ll be pleased to know that I had no intention of looking at a topless girl the same age as not only his daughters, but also many of my friend’s daughters.”…….you stand alongside Liberace in that instance as a man to be admired!

  58. New England Cocky

    @MIchael Taylor: You mean I am not the only contributor to have his posts edited out by management????? Aw shucks, and here’s me thinking that my contributions were too close to the mark for the comfort of the establishment!!!!

    Stop whimping Joseph and get on with your writing. We, the readers of this (there, NEC..I corrected the typo for you!..J.C.) excellent site will determine when your posts are offensive and demand that they be deleted …. and I must say that your sexual innuendoes above @Kaye Lee are impolitely offensive, so wake up to yourself and get over it!

  59. Kaye Lee


    I can think of at least four articles of mine that have been pulled for various reasons. As I said at the time, no worries, there is always another story to write. There have always been good reasons behind those decisions.

  60. Loz Lawrey

    Your piece is a great read, Joe and has inspired a lively comments thread. I usually agree with and enjoy your work. However, I do detect a contradiction in what you’re saying here. I personally feel that “class” is in the mind of the beholder. I previously wrote a piece on class in Australia for the AIMN and was called out on it by a union mate who is convinced that Australia does have an entrenched class system.
    I myself went to both public schools and private boarding schools before spending one year at ANU in 1970 growing my hair before dropping out to experience actual work rolling beer kegs and loading trucks in a warehouse. Since then I’ve done many things: clerical work in the Commonwealth public service, retail work selling suits, paint, hardware, learning the trade of painting and decorating (which I successfully plied as a contractor for many years), running a pizza shop… I’ve done many things and never felt confined to one “class” or another. To me, this is the beauty of Australia – we can look each other in the eye and know we are equal. “Jack’s as good as his master”, if you will:
    I think I disagree with your statement: “So to change the rules, we must change the ruling class … It must be done … We can no longer afford – literally – to defer management and control to that class just because they have a broader or more expansive vocabulary and network of intrigue.”
    I don’t really see an actual “ruling class” in Oz, more some who think themselves born to rule and others who accept that classism as a concept. Our leaders tend to be well-educated, yet we seem to elevate and lionise sporting folk who are often less articulate than university graduates. And many of our sportspeople are nonetheless perceived to be leaders in the community.
    I think the “clever country” was always one of Australia’s finest aspirations and one we should never lose sight of. We all think and feel and some of us have developed an ease of self-expression over time through reading and debate – does that make us part of a “ruling class” too? Instead of focusing on class difference we should accentuate across-the board education to erase that perception of difference. Demonising the educated is never the way forward. Educating everyone is.
    I rarely comment on the articles I read, so please take my response as a compliment. You’ve kicked a goal here Joe, and made us all think about and respond to the issues you’ve raised. Cheers!

  61. Kaye Lee

    Great comment Loz. I have always felt the special value of the AIMN lies more in the conversations than the articles that prompt them. People get to share information and to discuss/debate on an equal footing. I don’t see a class barrier in Australia but moreso less opportunity to be heard. Bolt and Jones and Hadley would have us believe they represent the voice of ordinary Australians. Sites like this one show they don’t represent us all.

  62. Shaun Newman

    Joe, it would seem that “the clever people” don’t like we uneducated rabble taking them to task. The more educated people get the more common sense they seem to lose.

  63. Joseph Carli

    Loz..thank you for the well considered and expressed comment…and yes.. I do agree with you in regards that we are fortunate here in Aust’ that we can work across many class-controlled industries without contradiction..What I am really trying to do with my extreme position views..and let’s be honest…there is never likely to be a armed revolution led by the trade unions in Oz…or by the there is too much surf and too much sun…I want to make sure the political left doesn’t get too blaze’ about the needs of and for change…and to not get too comfy in their perceived positions..

  64. Kaye Lee

    Shaun, I believe I have said to you in the past that IMO education is a lifetime pursuit that is contributed to by all of life’s experiences. I don’t see myself as above anyone because I have a degree – I just have certain skills and other things that I have no aptitude at all for. A society is a symbiotic relationship between it’s members. We are mutually dependent and should be mutually respectful.

  65. Joseph Carli

    ” NEC,

    I can think of at least four articles of mine that have been pulled for various reasons.”…………on the “recruiting hustings” again, K’ ? 🙂

  66. Michael Taylor

    I concur. Great comment, Loz. (But I’d expect nothing less).

    What struck a chord with me was this;

    Demonising the educated is never the way forward. Educating everyone is.

    My Indigenous brother would agree. I once asked him if he gets angry when the racists get stuck into him (which I have witnessed).

    He replied; “I can’t get angry with them for being racist, because their racism comes from ignorance. They just need educating, that’s all.”

    Being educated definetly doesn’t mean getting a university degree. It can also mean ‘learning’.

  67. Anthony Andrews

    DAWSEY: You said yesterday when you were leaving that you were skeptical of a climate change report that the government had done. Can you just explain why you’re skeptical of that report?

    TRUMP: One of the problems that a lot of people like myself — we have very high levels of intelligence, but we’re not necessarily such believers. You look at our air and our water, and it’s right now at a record clean. But when you look at China and you look at parts of Asia and when you look at South America, and when you look at many other places in this world, including Russia, including — just many other places — the air is incredibly dirty. And when you’re talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small. And it blows over and it sails over. I mean, we take thousands of tons of garbage off our beaches all the time that comes over from Asia. It just flows right down the Pacific, it flows, and we say where does this come from. And it takes many people to start off with.
    In a matter of 152 words, Trump manages to laud his own brainpower before, in the next sentence, using a phrase that makes him sound like English is his fourth language. What is “a record clean”? Then he leans on an old standby by bringing up other countries, blaming them for dirty air and polluted water. For a self-professed nonbeliever in the most serious climate change projections, he sure seems to think the environment is a mess.

    Trump’s meandering monologue follows an attempt earlier in the day by Sarah Sanders to discredit the report. At a White House briefing, Sanders bashed it as “extreme” and “not based on facts.”

    This report was apparently written by over 300 scientists.

    I’m certainly not critical of higher education, without it we would have a far poorer society, but the ‘uneducated’ members of society also contribute just as much. If we don’t start treasuring our differences, instead of comparing ourselves to others and awarding them respect based on our own idea of morality or intelligence, then this is the kind of ‘intellectual voice’ we should all get used to hearing…

    A feast of words with nothing to digest.

    Great discussion, thanks.

  68. Shaun Newman

    So they will become educated racists mate, education does not rid one of raciism, not formal education anyway, perhaps the education of ‘real’ life may do that for racists…if they were ever forced to live ‘real’ life that is…

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