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Rosie’s Hut

If you turn off the main road and travel around five furlongs … in the old money … down a dirt track called Kruger Road, you will come to Rosie’s Hut.

I first heard of Rosie’s Hut around … oh … fifteen year or so ago now … when we first brought this place from my Aunty … old Vera … you see, she had gotten old and was a bit crook, so her doctor advised her … quite strongly .. that she needed to move into the main town in the Barossa for the sake of her health … so she put this property on the market and we just happened to be looking for a dusty little spread out here in the mallee and bango! … Bob’s your uncle … so to speak.

Well, one side of the property backs onto Kruger Road, just a stone’s throw from Rosie’s Hut … so it wasn’t long before my curiosity got the better of me and I wandered over to have a squizz at the place.

“Hut” is probably the wrong description of the place … because it is too large and too well-built to be considered that … but at the same time, it is just a one roomed building standing by itself without any other sheds or out buildings backing it up. But there, that’s what it is called … sure an’ I did originally think the name was in relation to a woman’s name and I could let my imagination … of which I have an over abundance … conjure up an image of a past age, with a woman living out here in the hut … a woman with rich red hair … of the Christina Rosetti type … an image of her as depicted by the Pre-Raphaelite painters … throw in a touch of Shirley MacLaine in Irma la Douce and you are getting somewhere near me.

Or perhaps as the Inn-keepers daughter in the poem The Highwayman by Alfred Noyes:

“The wind was a torrent of darkness among the gusty trees,
The moon was a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas,
The road was a ribbon of moonlight over the purple moor,
And the highwayman came riding–
Riding–riding–
The highwayman came riding, up to the old inn door.”

And so on it goes … a lovely piece worth the read.

But in truth, there was no long-tressed woman to stand at the hut’s door, no blue-eyed daughter in the moonlight, no simpering eyes in the moonlight, to tempt a young man to share in the moonlight … the local knowledge of why Rosie’s Hut was there or why that name, took a little searching on my part over a span of these near fifteen years … for all those who lived through those years have now passed away and have taken with them that knowledge of who, what and why these people and places existed … Except! …

Except … there were clues that gave it away … the first was old Mr. Rosenswieg … he was the “Ted” in my story of Ted and Edie dance the Rumba … he was born around 1933 … and he filled in the rest of the name from “Rosie” to Rosenswieg … hence: Rosenswieg’s Hut. Evidently another branch of his clan owned land around there but had disposed of it before he was born … But he did give me the next clue to the reason for the hut’s existence … He told me that back in the early days of cropping here on the flats, in the late nineteenth century, some landholders did not actually live on the blocks, but rather would come down from their hills homesteads, bringing their workers, family and horses and assorted equipment for either sowing or harvesting … depending upon the season and would camp down on the flats paddocks while they did an intensive round of ploughing and seeding or harvesting and bagging the seed or sheathing the hay …

All the family including women and children were brought down to help with the labour-intensive work … the women to cook, the children to clear stones from the paddocks or feed the horses and that is why there was that one solid-built “hut” … to give the women and children shelter at night after doing the cooking and serving for the workmen and family … who slept in the thatched-roofed post and beam outbuildings.

It was a different life back in those days … this area being known by it’s branded name: “Breakheart Country” … all hard work and muscle for both the men and the women, while the children also were expected to pitch in to help … I know about the children being there in the fields because I have record of one child from my German relatives family dying from burns because of being caught in the burning of the stubble that was practised in those days before ploughing for the seeding season.

That explained the whys and wherefores, but not the confirming date of the construct and by association, the times of when those families stayed in the hut.

What threw me about the dimensions of the one-roomed hut, was, as a builder myself, the proportions and construct told me that this was no family home … not even in the pioneer sense … I have experience of those pioneer settler’s houses … they are mostly of stone/post and beam with pug and pine-walled infills. Rosie’s Hut was well built, the corner quoins not of local limestone nor a local granite, but layered large pieces of slate … this secured the corners of the building and held it fast for a long time, unlike other early buildings the fell down without the solid corner bondings … The lime mortar placed the building in the latter part of the nineteenth century, but the machined roof timbers of Oregon and the stamped/branded roofing iron from England gave the date to around the turn of the twentieth century … The clean walls of solid, lime plaster showed that there was never any room divisions and there was no evidence of wall plugging for cupboards … so the one big room, with a small fireplace with a large German vault-oven behind it showed this hut served as eating place after a hard, long days work and then the private sleeping quarters for the women and children, while the men slept in those thatched shed outbuildings …

It would seem that everything required for the month’s duration needed to seed or harvest the crop was brought down from the hill farm, including the slate building stones as there is no slate of any reasonable quality to be found on the flats … I wrote of those days and the trials and tribulations here.

So now, after all these years, I feel I can quietly say with a sense of confidence that Rosie’s Hut had a long and fruitful career as cookhouse/shelter until the days of the horse drawn farming era came to a close … the end of many things … much back-breaking work, labour intensive farming and all, yet there must also be admitted that alongside those daylight hours of chore and grind, there was also the evenings of no doubt some singing of old folk songs from their homelands along with the weary relief and satisfaction of what they had achieved and the resulting harvest would give claim to the nod of a job well done and payment well deserved … a thing fast becoming obscure and unfathomable in this age of cynical weariness.

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  1. Joseph Carli

    The reason farmers from the hills brought land for cropping on the flats was because in the days of horse-drawn ploughing, the flat lands were more favourable for the horses, as they were not prone to slipping on wet, muddy slopes…hence a law was passed in Sth Aust’ that the flatlands were to be restricted to cropping and the slopes to stock grazing…you know it makes sense!

    Also, in the early days of cropping out here, there was a strong demand for Duram wheat, Durum is the hardest of all wheats. Its density, combined with its high protein content and gluten strength, placed it in demand for semolina and pasta making…They grew it here on the flats.

  2. Win Jeavons

    Look for me by moonlight , watch for me by moolight , I’ll come to you by moonlight though hell should bar the way.

  3. Joseph Carli

    “How Bess, the landlord’s daughter,
    The landlord’s black-eyed daughter,
    Had watched for her love in the moonlight, and died in the darkness there.

    Back, he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky,
    With the white road smoking behind him and his rapier brandished high!
    Blood-red were his spurs i’ the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
    When they shot him down on the highway,
    Down like a dog on the highway, And he lay in his blood on the highway, with the bunch of lace at his throat.”

    Eeeh, ba gumly!…they knew how to write romantic poetry in those days!!

  4. Phil

    I went down the lane to visit the famous legendary old Rosie’s Hut
    It wasn’t the rocks I was interested in but the shape of Rosie’s Butt.
    Now Rosy had a butt that was voluptuous, firm and nicely round
    It was in fact the only butt that in the district that could be found.

    Rosie famous in these parts for her baked scones and jam delights
    It wasn’t the cakes or the apple crumble pies that started all the fights
    It was Rosie’s breast and her voluptuous thighs and nice rounded Butt
    That brought all the men down to learn the facts of life at Rosie’s Hut.

    Don’t lie to me Joseph, all men have a visited a ‘ Rosie’s hut at some time in their life 🙂

    My ditty’s get worse with the amount of booze I drink.

  5. Joseph Carli

    Phil….” My ditty’s get worse with the amount of booze I drink.”…..may I suggest at this point…..you stop drinking!!

    And Phil…it must be accepted…while women dream of many things, of worried children, missing pets, lost opportunities and or other things…men will dream of women.

  6. Phil

    ‘ And Phil…it must be accepted…while women dream of many things, of worried children, missing pets, lost opportunities and or other things…men will dream of women.’

    Indeed they do. I dreamt I had a Rolls Royce and when I woke up is all I had was a horn.

    You know when I was playing in bands from the vantage point of being elevated, you could see the men and women playing the mating game. You would see the males especially, they would walk around like puffed up roosters. All good mates until a women gets in between them and then all shit can break loose. And the women who in some cases could probably knock you out with one punch, sat there all demure sipping on one drink for four hours. There has probably been a study of it. I wouldn’t be dead for quids.

  7. jon chesterson

    You see these slate and stone huts all over Wales and Scotland too, for very much the same reason, I have no doubt. Survival as a farm worker was a tough business.

    Aside, the poem, ‘The Highwayman’ by Alfred Noyes has a little of the popular charm and tragedy of Ned Kelly. Once again the institutional power of the State inflicting its abuse on the common people, the ravages of colonisation, hence the romanticisation and creation of the rebel or folk hero.

    Couple of links for those who’d like to hear the poem recited, put to drama and music:

    The Highwayman – Directed by Oliver Chater, 2016
    based on the poem ‘The Highwayman’ by Alfred Noyes, 1906
    https://youtu.be/MNvBVJpa1h4

    The Highwayman by Loreena Mckennit
    from the album ‘The Book of Secrets’, 1997
    short film by Erica Elizabeth Ravenwood, 2014
    https://youtu.be/DhT3HzCDX5k

  8. Joseph Carli

    Thanks for those links, Jon…and I have to inform people that the header pic is not the real “Rosie’s Hut” , while I do have pics of it, I am reticent to post them on social media as past incidents have led to vandalism of some identifiable sites…and I can assure you that the current farmer who ownes the property would be livid if they found their locale had been displayed all over social media!…the pic is similar in that it is a one roomed hut of stone construct, but Rosie’s Hut has a iron roof.

    Phil…I wrote on just such a subject here in the past…it gleaned little comment as you would expect from a body of people more interested in the machinations of a foreign lunatic that what was happenning right under their own nose.. https://theaimn.com/the-gender-contract/

    Jon..I looked at those links and I feel they have somewhat overworked the subject matter..but that is just my opinion.

  9. Joseph Carli

    ” And the women who in some cases could probably knock you out with one punch, sat there all demure sipping on one drink for four hours. There has probably been a study of it. I wouldn’t be dead for quids.”

    Ode to Women’s beauty.
    Speechless and numb, I gazed on her beauty there,
    Her limbs, her hands, her soft flowing hair.
    Her voice the whisper of an angel’s prayer..
    SHE..roamed her eyes over the banquet fair,
    The roasts, the salads, the fruits so rare,
    And of my adoration, just so….au contraire.
    “There is so much beauty before us here ,
    It is so hard to decide….you tell me, my dear,”..
    She said..”What to you is the most desirous fare?”

  10. Kaye Lee

    “it must be accepted…while women dream of many things, of worried children, missing pets, lost opportunities and or other things…men will dream of women.”

    Speak for yourself Joe. Thank Christ the next generation has evolved past such dismissive crap.

    I dream of the day when women will be valued for their merits rather than their tits.

  11. Joseph Carli

    ” I dream of the day when women will be valued for their merits rather than their tits.”…….

    “This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.”

    ― T.S. Eliot, The Hollow Men

    You have no idea, Kaye Lee…you have no idea at all……

  12. Roswell

    I would think that Kaye Lee has more of an idea what women want than you do, Joseph.

    (Notice how I wisely chose not to conclude my comment with a smart arse statement like “You have no idea, Joseph Carli…you have no idea at all…”

    I probably didn’t because I find it childish and unnecessary).

  13. Joseph Carli

    But then, does she require your input as her messenger, Roswell ( notice how wisely I choose not to conclude my comment with : ” . . . such dismissive crap.” I probably didn’t because I find it childish and unnecessary).

    But I will give you a bit of a clue, Roswell…When a presbyter of a closeted “church of materialist feminism” comes on to lament the unequal trading rights / value of “merit” against “tits”, you know they are fighting a losing battle…because like Morrison’s current trade-off of “suppression versus opening economy”…both Kaye Lee’s and Morrison’s ideals are fighting against an invisible enemy…because in one case, the covid19 virus does not yield to a “prefered outcome”, so to do the males of this world not sacrifice..in private at least..their prefered choice to gaze / desire wantonly upon the voluptuous female as against the “woman of merit”….in both cases, it is not a conspiracy, it just is.

    You know it makes sense….Now go in peace.

  14. Jon Chesterson

    Joseph – ‘Jon..I looked at those links and I feel they have somewhat overworked the subject matter..but that is just my opinion’.

    I think this is true for the video associated with Loreena McKennit’s music, noting that the video is not Loreena McKennit’s. The song and music is I think very well suited and authentically rendered by LM. Alas, it is probably the best YouTube video for her music even though it does not live up to the quality and artistry of either LM or Noyes; I’d prefer just to hear it. As for the first link, the film by Chater, I thought it was very entertaining and as a dramatic recitation of the poem itself quite well done, certainly the best illustrated rendition available.

  15. Joseph Carli

    Jon….I have to agree they were both well presented pieces…but my preference for poetry is to read it to myself…I am not a fan of public recited poetry…or prose for that matter, for I believe the reader constructs the personality or situation described in the writing to their own interpretation…and in doing so “personalises” the poem or story…But like I say..that is just my personal opinion…to each their own.

  16. Phil

    Joseph Carli.

    Women have always been admired for their merits. Their tits are an added extra to admire as nature provided.

    Most men and I said most or, dare I say, the more cerebral, don’t eye off the beauty of a women and then think to themselves, I wonder if this beautiful women can quote the sonnets of Shakespeare, can she explain quantum physics to me, can she do calculous, or can she change a wheel on a Holden Special? The human species can and will, go back to the jungle in the flash of an inviting glance.

    Yes indeed Joseph, you are correct, it just is and will always be so.

  17. Joseph Carli

    The problem is, Phil..the hard currency of learned experience and common sense is not traded these days as much as those more facile promissory notes written rote-like from between cardboard covers…When a young man, I was several times involved in bar-room scraps with other young men over women..and while many now scorn such behaviour as brutal and uncivilised, I would counter that there is little that is more noble..except perhaps fighting for one’s country…than shedding some blood for the honour of a woman’s hand…and why not…after all, do not women bleed for the sake of us men as well?

  18. Kaye Lee

    FFS…..we not only exist for your sexual fantasies, we menstruate for the sake of men as well? Get me outta here!

    We are not your vassals and vessels. We are not here for your pleasure or servitude.

    Perhaps when men start realising that we might make some progress on the domestic and sexual violence epidemic in this country.

  19. Phil

    Joseph Carli

    I find it quite strange, that men like you and I by telling the truth and seeing the reality of life and not how someone would like it to be , that we are somehow responsible, for domestic violence. To tell you the truth, I find that idea, quite offensive.

    I found out quite some years ago the PC crowd had turned society on its head. My daughter who was fifteen at the time came into my bedroom and said to me ‘ Dad I think there is someone near my bedroom window ‘ Cutting a long story short, there was a peeping Tom perving on my daughter through her window. Now my daughter makes Elle McPherson look like Phyllis Diller.( Does that make me a misogynist? ) She got her looks from my wife. I could see the attraction. (Not by me btw, but the perve. ) Now as luck would have it, my wife and I caught him. He had a shot at me so, I proceeded to teach him some social etiquette. I told him just before i broke his nose, it’s a nice idea if you want to take a lady out on a date, the best way was to wine and dine her first so to speak, before you get down to the real business.

    We called the police and the forensics turned up to take samples of the perves body fluids for further enquiries. Well the female copper says to me to quote Did you think it was necessary to break his nose? (I nearly went into catatonic shock.) I said to the police after a few expletives, that their investigation had just terminated and I asked them to leave the property.

    Being the well adjusted human being that I am I made a fatal mistake. What I should have done was invite the man into my home and make him a nice cup of tea with a slice of my wife’s apple crumble (Btw Joh get this, my wife does the cooking in our home I know that’s weird hey ) we share the other chores to a fraction. Yes and sat him down and found out where his life went wrong and why his dad wouldn’t play football with him. I was supposed to just stand there, while he was beating me to death with a baseball bat.

    Of course the same people that think people like me are dinosaurs don’t mind a little bit, if our military bombs women and children from 30000 feet killing and maiming God knows how many and don’t feel the leased ashamed. What a strange society we are turning into.

  20. Michael Taylor

    Phil, I don’t think anyone was suggesting that.

  21. Kaye Lee

    I can understand your anger Phil.

    It’s the same anger I feel when Joe says “so to do the males of this world not sacrifice their prefered choice to gaze / desire wantonly upon the voluptuous female”.

    Like it is ok because he/you want to. Oh but don’t do it to your daughter?

    Do you even care how it makes women feel? Does the concept of mutual consent mean anything to you or is your perving somehow different?

  22. Kaye Lee

    I also find it interesting Joe’s choice of the “voluptuous female as against the “woman of merit”. All people have merits Joe…even the voluptuous ones. You guys are really missing out because you “don’t eye off the beauty of a women and then think to themselves, I wonder if this beautiful women can quote the sonnets of Shakespeare, can she explain quantum physics to me, can she do calculous, or can she change a wheel on a Holden Special?” Maybe, just maybe, if you talked to the person, you might broaden your interests and knowledge beyond how to get your rocks off.

  23. Phil

    ” Maybe, just maybe, if you talked to the person, you might broaden your interests and knowledge beyond how to get your rocks off.

    Please keep your attempt at psychoanalyzing me , to yourself. Further more, do not lecture me on how I have gone through my own life and how I get my rocks off !!! WTF do you think you are? Keep your personal insults to yourself.

    I have not stated anything in my dialog with Joe that is not true. That you don’t like it or agree with it, is tough titties.

    Keep you wanna be Germain Greer take on the sexes. to yourself, nuance is definitely required with Greer and that’s not your thing.

    Your attempt to psychoanalyze what is an innate feature of the human species is laughable.

    Clean your crystal ball it has a veil of ignorant darkness over it.

  24. Kaye Lee

    It’s not psychoanalyzing you…it’s trying to tell you how some women, including me, feel about this stuff..but you guys aren’t interested in that…unless you are protecting your own girls by punching someone. You pretend you speak for “men” but you don’t represent the men I know.

    Being ogled by strangers, being judged and categorised by your appearance, being the object of unwanted sexual advances at work…and much worse….is not flattering. It’s not some sort of right of males to do this.

  25. Phil

    Being ogled by strangers, being judged and categorised by your appearance, being the object of unwanted sexual advances at work…and much worse….is not flattering. It’s not some sort of right of males to do this,

    Do you have a cognitive dissonance problem?

    Where in my burst did I condone any of the actions you have accused me of being ignorant of?

    I have told you, I am telling it like it is, not how you would like it to be.

    Where did I say I represent the men you know. I’ve been around, but forgive me, I just obviously have not had contact with your male friends because if I did, I would have to throw out the window the knowledge of interacting with the public for over fifty years. Yea sure I would.

    So now I’ll repeat it for you as Joe said, you have no idea, not a clue.

    You don’t debate people, you push your ideas on them like an insufferable know all.

  26. Michael Taylor

    I have a confession: I love my wife so much that I don’t even look at another woman.

    I’ve learnt a lot from Carol, just by listening to her. I’ve learnt what words are offensive or demeaning to women and I have dropped them from my vocabulary.

    Once upon a time I was racist, sexist, and a pervert. I’m much happier now that I’m no longer any of them.

    That’s my story.

    PS: I used to work with a bloke about 20 years ago who emailed me a photo of a topless young girl – about 17 – to which he added a few lustful words. I thought to myself; “You sick fuck. You’ve got two beautiful daughters roughly the same age.”

  27. Phil

    ‘ Once upon a time I was racist, sexist, and a pervert. I’m much happier now that I’m no longer any of them.’

    Well lucky for me I have never been any of those things. No I’m not perfect I just had good teachers. I probably drink too much.

    My point is made from observations and not participation. You didn’t have to tell me your story I’m actually capable of the realisation that not all men are the same. I am also educated enough to know humans are a complicated species.

    Some men and women are built that way, there is no rhyme or reason, it just is.

    I have been to peoples home where their parents of a child has been given every opportunity in life and they have turned out bad and ended up in prison. I have seen the opposite children brought up by drunken no hoping parents who have turned out to be model citizens. See I can tell people the bleeding obvious as well.

    I have defended the honour of women on more than one occasion in my life and they were not related to me.

    My only regret in the incident with my daughter is, I didn’t clout the bastard a little harder. Btw it could have been one of my sons the outcome would have been the same. That’s what thousands of years of evolution has done, it is innate in us to protect our off spring . If we were in a perfect world we could spend the billions we waste on the military, on something useful like hospitals.

    Btw I have received porno in my personal messenger from people and like you, I keep the peace and just quietly delete it because it offends me, but I am not going to ruin a fifty year friendship with someone, because they still find a women’s mammary glands seductive at seventy years old.

    Jesus Joseph you had better implode Rosie’s Hutt, it has caused trouble at mill.

  28. Joseph Carli

    Sorry to inflict such upon you, Phil…but I went to bed last night as this thing kicked off and I have just come to the desk now….but I have to say I am relieved somewhat that you are “holding the fort” and taking it on the jaw “for the team”…I don’t think I could have handled the flak better then you have…there is more than a touch of honesty in your replies as you counter the onslaught of social engineering being howitzered at you!

    What can one say..except that I have yet to see a cluster of young women out on the town clutching instead of that cute little sparkling clutch-purse and looking like a million dollar diamond, a slim volume of the mathematical solutions of corfete theory….

    But I will tell this little incident for your own amusement..:

    An old mate of mine years ago when he was in his early twenties had a very jealous girlfriend…and he had to be careful she never caught him even gazing in the general direction of “voluptuous beauty”….One bright day, whilst coming off theTullamarine Freeway, where it bottle-necks into the greater Melb’ suburbs, he was creeping along at a snails pace on the inner lane with his girlfriend in the passenger seat, when he noticed walking down the sidewalk a distance ahead (young males have extrordinary eyesight to view a “vision splendid”) this young, well endowed woman wearing a tight sweater coming toward them…Knowing the wrath he could expect from his passenger if he gazed in that general direction (women have even better eyesight that the males btw.), he steeled himself with a white-knuckle grip on the steering wheel and with all the impassioned emotion of an Arnie Swatznegger “great acting moment”, he stared dead-pan ahead at the traffic….The young woman had just got abreast (no…don’t )..when he suddenly copped an almighty whack across the back of his head!
    “What was that for?” he demanded.
    “That girl with the tight sweater…” his girlfriend accused.
    “I didn’t look at her!…I was watching the traffic straight ahead!!” he whined.
    “No”..she pointingly replied ” but you wanted to!!” …..

    You see, Phil…the ladies already know…even on here, with all the “in-house” denial of a St Peter before the cock crows…the women know….why?….because dear old mother nature has designed them to know……it just is.

  29. Kaye Lee

    So telling you how I feel makes me an “insufferable know all” who should get back to dreaming about “worried children and missing pets” because you are “telling it like it is”?

    I absolutely agree that “not all men are the same”. They don’t all “go back to the jungle in the flash of an inviting glance.” which is why I object to statements like “the males of this world would not sacrifice their prefered choice to gaze / desire wantonly upon the voluptuous female”.

    I believe the objectification of women is a contributing factor to a lot of problems in our society. Our daughters are made to feel being pretty is the most important thing. They starve themselves and inject chemicals into their faces and spend a fortune supporting a “beauty” industry which tries to turn us all into barbie dolls. Getting old is something to dread rather than embrace.

    BTW I have little regard for Germaine Greer and I would have thought that everyone would be a feminist by now.

    “Feminism, the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes.”

  30. Michael Taylor

    Hey Phil. I wasn’t having a go at you. I hadn’t even seen your comment while I was typing mine. You and I have no beef with each other, and I’d like to leave it that way. 😀

  31. Michael Taylor

    but I have to say I am relieved somewhat that you are “holding the fort” and taking it on the jaw “for the team”

    Joe, if you think I was having a go at Phil you are sadly mistaken. I was just saying the sort of bloke I am.

  32. Joseph Carli

    Not at all, Michael…not at all…..I know from past comments that you are like most of us “married men”..a worshipper at the altar of wifely delights!

  33. Kaye Lee

    Michael has respect for Carol’s opinions and many accomplishments, as do I. Not sure “worshipper at the altar of wifely delights” is how I would describe their relationship. I see mutual respect and admiration and support for each other – a partnership in the true sense of the word.

  34. Michael Taylor

    That was a very repulsive thing to say to me, Joe. That is beneath contempt.

  35. Joseph Carli

    ” Am I sane of a people gone mad,
    Or mad in a world that is sane..” (Henry Lawson)

    To “worship at the altar of wifely delights” is possibly the most complimentary thing that a husband can do…for it does not suggest for a moment salacious desire, rather than an adoration and respect to almost hagiographic heights the completeness of woman as partner, companion and wife….To suggest that such is a slur on one’s marriage partner is to sink to a depth of pathological insanity requiring restraint and medication…a solution perhaps I may suggest to those who would accuse me of such…

    Get a grip people….get a grip!

  36. Jack Cade

    I have a registered IQ (with Mensa) of 137. In my life I have met MANY people more intelligent than I am (I don’t think a high IQ means you are intelligent – merely good at puzzles). But of the 10 more intelligent people than I am that I have met, 8 of them have been female, one of them my wife (deceased at 45, I am sorry to say ) and two of my 3 daughters. Two of my female acquaintances are both physically attractive – I suppose, but it’s their minds that keep me interested.
    An American comedian summed up the difference between brains and beauty – he said when you lust after women, just bear in mind that cosmetic surgery can increase or reduce their bust; change the shape of thei eyes, or lips. their buttocks. But you can’t change stupid. I remember talking to a very beautiful girl at a party, and being bored shitless by her. Because, after a while, you cease to ‘see’ a beautiful woman (or man, I suppose); but you never tire of intellect.
    I have avoided contributing to this thread, and have only written this because acrimony was entering into it.

  37. Jack Cade

    I apologise for my last post, on re-reading, it doesn’t actually say anything helpful.

  38. Joseph Carli

    ” I apologise for my last post, on re-reading, it doesn’t actually say anything helpful.”….on the contrary, but it all hinges on the name of that “American comedian” and why HIS opinion of what is beauty and what is intelligent matters..

  39. PhiL

    ‘ You see, Phil…the ladies already know…even on here, with all the “in-house” denial of a St Peter before the cock crows…the women know….why?….because dear old mother nature has designed them to know……it just is.’

    As my old mum used to tell me and still does from time to time when I try to put one over on her ” I didn’t come down in the last shower ” Or my favourite ” Don’t come the old soldier with me” My mum had a great way of explaining ” It just is ”

    I don’t mind a good debate Joe but I am not going to be brow beaten into a belief system that I don’t totally agree with.” Uno Numero ” ” Feminism.” For two quick examples, I don’t believe women should serve in front line trenches in war or front line policing. We can debate the pros and cons of that until the cows come home .Both those opinions btw, I didn’t get out of a Mills and Boone from a story of a jilted lover. . Or a children’s comic book called the Beano.( That’s for you Jack) But getting ones feet wet in the action so to speak.

    Having said that, that doesn’t automatically make me a wife basher, someone who believes that women should be chained to sinks or any other such notions of inequality. Or that I somehow I don’t understand the feelings of others. Bollocks.

    So it’s back to an afternoon of Led Zeppelin for me. Carry on.

  40. Jack Cade

    Phil

    I was a Dandy boy. I have a Desperate Dan tee-shirt…
    Then I became a Wizard and Eagle, Goon Show youth.

  41. Joseph Carli

    A close reading of the above article “Rosie’s Hut” gives example of a way of life and cultural behaviour that was prevalent among the Germanic pioneers of this district and the Barossa Valley etc…sure, it was patriarchal and could be oppressive and unforgiving..but when you live in times that give no leeway for “individualism” and all its accompanying demands, it gave security of home and place in the broader community..

    I shall attempt to write a piece that turns the coin on what they had as society, family and community and what we, in this “enlightened age of freedom”, can now boast…Watch this space.

  42. leefe

    “‘ Once upon a time I was racist, sexist, and a pervert. I’m much happier now that I’m no longer any of them.’

    Well lucky for me I have never been any of those things.”

    Ahhh, that delightful phenomenon of the male of the species declaring himself free of certain faults that he does not recognise in others much less himself.
    Take it from an impartial observer, Phil – while I have no evidence of you being either racist or a pervert, you are most definitely sexist.

    Michael: it is a relief to see there is at least one honest and decent man here. I admire your forbearance.

  43. Michael Taylor

    Thank you, leefe. We walk many paths in life, and every step I’ve taken has led me to where I am today. I am content with that.

  44. Joseph Carli

    leefe…while Phil is more than capable of looking after himself, it is my turn to take some flak about your comment in reference to sexism..; ” it is a relief to see there is at least one honest and decent man here.”

    To me, the most recent and public aggressive sexist person in Australia is or was when they had their hands on the cojones of the nation, Ms Credlin…power without effort…She had a “c**t-struck” Abbott by the balls and she twisted that useless shit-head this way and then that and so vicariously did the nation twitch and jerk to her crushing desire…and the same system of sexism can be applied to any woman who knows of and how to wield their sexual power..and that starts from a young age..and don’t tell me that you do not know of any control freaks that have not at some time in their lives used that sexual power either in a coquettish or flirtatious manner to “toy n tease”…used that “sexism” to plan, play, demand or in the most extreme cases extort a situation to their benefit. I’ve seen it used to get a man beaten to a pulp just on a frustrated whim.

    A double-edged sword cuts both ways.

  45. leefe

    Oh, of course, Joe. Not because Credlin is actually worse than any of the sexist powerful men in this country, but because women are inevitably held to a different standard than men.

    The system was created by and for men, and maintained for and mostly by them also. Yet there is always more flak aimed at a woman who uses that system to advance herself than at the men.

    And don’t bother explaining that you disagree. I’m well aware of that. I’ve had this conversation with too many people for too many decades. The slowest learner in the world would have twigged by now (well, OK, maybe not – Trump seems to be immune to any form of education).

  46. Joseph Carli

    I once saw an “on field” interview with some hard-arsed Russian general at some eastern bloc skirmish where he was asked if he considered the possibility of a US army involvement…the man smirked and voiced his opinion (with wtte) that the American army was a “Hollywood army”…all glitter and shine but no grind….and that is the same for so many idealist principles I see shouted from these pages at times….memes, themes and jargon just dripped from a script-writer’s pen…all sound and fury signifying nothing much at all…you think you got “freedom”?…ask those being tried in secret…you think you got power and rights?….ask those indigenous people in the “Black Lives Matter” movement..you think you got substance as an individual citizen in a democratic country…ask those abandoned guest workers and students on the food queues…there but for the grace of the ruling class . . .

    No..we have only one source of power now, nad that is social media power and the ruling class is fast learning that even there, the whole world runs on bluff.

    No..we are all now like I said of leefe above…politically obese lay-abouts gorging on political comfort food…quoting and re-quoting catch-phrases and jargon falling from the pages of the latest “fantastic essay” from a veteran of the American lecture circuit…always the “expert”…always the “solution”…and yet..here we are in the middle of what could be the biggest social disaster since the great depression…just wait till September..because without a total cover for those who have high rent/mortgage, the wind of cruel change is going to blow right up our arses!

  47. Kaye Lee

    It’s interesting how comments are read and reacted to by others. Sometimes I have to go back and reread what I have written to see what may have caused the response.

    I started this because I disagreed with Joe’s assessment of what women and men dream of. I should not have used the phrase dismissive crap – but hells bells and cockleshells….

    “it must be accepted…while women dream of many things, of worried children, missing pets, lost opportunities and or other things…men will dream of women.”

    I find that dismissive of both genders.

    I also am overly sensitive about the objectification of women for many reasons – personal experience, the harm it does to our girls’ sense of worth, the harm it does to our boys’ sense of what is worthwhile.

    I am sorry if I appear strident but FFS – I was 17 when I gave my first public speech about this stuff in that bastion of male privilege – the Lions Club. I’m 62. I should be more tolerant. Instead I find myself angry that I am still having this conversation. I look on in bemusement as young girls blow their lips up like over-inflated tyres and put something into their bottoms that must make it very hard to go on the swings at the park. Why? I know all women don’t think like me. Not all men think like Joe either.

  48. Phil

    ” Take it from an impartial observer, Phil – while I have no evidence of you being either racist or a pervert, you are most definitely sexist.”

    Take you casual observations and stick them where the sun don’t shine. What you think about this issue will give me sleepless nights.

  49. Phil

    ” I was a Dandy boy. I have a Desperate Dan tee-shirt…
    Then I became a Wizard and Eagle, Goon Show youth.”

    I was lucky we must have been upper crust I got to read both. See how much money some of those old comics are bringing now it blows the mind what collectors of such odds and sods will pay. As a total piece of useless information, my old mum gave me a set of those China flying ducks years ago, they were made by Beswick and English pottery company from the Midlands Staffordshire. They sat in a tea chest for fourty years. . I saw an add for the ducks in an American collectors magazine under wanted. Some American women that was in love with anything English wanted them. Cutting a long story short, she paid me 1200 bucks US. for them. Being the suave, intellectual, raconteur and Bon Vivant I am, I nearly threw them in the bin. What price taste eh.

  50. Phil

    Joseph Carli.

    ” No..we are all now like I said of leefe above…politically obese lay-abouts gorging on political comfort food…quoting and re-quoting catch-phrases and jargon falling from the pages of the latest “fantastic essay” from a veteran of the American lecture circuit…always the “expert”…always the “solution”…and yet..here we are in the middle of what could be the biggest social disaster since the great depression…just wait till September..because without a total cover for those who have high rent/mortgage, the wind of cruel change is going to blow right up our arses! ”

    My God Joe don’t scare the horses. Indeed all true. The real character of people will soon be put on display when the SHTF soon.

    I am lucky I don’t have a mortgage or pay rent, but I feel for people that do.

    Joe is Rosie’s hut a comfortable place to hide? Yikes you may go there and find someone like Warren Buffet hiding out from the Tsunami, that is about to explode in our country.

    And Joe there are more men out there that think like us, than Kaye Lee will ever admit. You know it goes against the grain of being a real feminist. No grey areas, no doubt in their minds, that us mere males, are keeping them in bondage. My daughter got pinched on the bum by a bloke at one of local shopping center’s last year.. She chased the offending pincher kicking him up the arse and being fairly fit (A gym Nut) She must have got four or five good shots in. .He was lucky my future son in law wasn’t there he is a Maori and stands 6ft 2 of sheer terror. I thought to myself and I said to the missus. ” Wow that’s our girl “

  51. RosemaryJ36

    My mother was born in 1896, thoroughly enjoyed her work in the UK Civil Service and finally married in 1931.
    My father was lousy at managing money and we nearly lost the house because he did not pay the mortgage.
    My mother took over making the serious decisions and, while never thinking of herself as a feminist, was definitely strong.
    She supported my older brother, sister and I to take advantage of free access to university.
    My sister and I both went to an all-girls school, my brother to an all-boys, so we were fairly mature before we had to mix with the opposite sex outside home and school.
    I have always taken it for granted that people have different abilities and faults, that we are all unique and trying to understand anyone is a thankless task!
    Life is too short to throw brickbats at each other – let’s keep them for the politicians who are hell-bent on making as much as they can for themselves without too much interest in us!

  52. Roswell

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