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Ricky Proves Tricky – Bush Bogan Backs Blocking Carbon Tax Repeal Bill

Ricky Muir (image from news.com.au)

Ricky Muir (image from news.com.au)

A month ago, Ricky Muir was an object of scorn and derision by the MSM.

Following his interview with Mike Willisee, much of social media also jumped on the band wagon posting the Willisee interview on Facebook with the warning; “Be afraid, be very afraid.”

Since his election to the Senate in September Muir has been painted as either an ignoramus who got lucky or simply a stooge for the Palmer United Party.

Since assuming his role as a  Senator on Monday, Muir has proved to be neither and very much his own man.

The MSM has had a fascination with Muir who as a candidate for a minor party, the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts, contested and won a seat in the Upper House.

Reclusive by nature, Muir refused to give interviews and declined to meet with Tony Abbott for a formal discussion and prime ministerial welcome.

With little to go on save for a couple of YouTube clips of Muir throwing kangaroo excrement at his mates, and a homespun philosophy in how to raise children, the MSM opted for regarding Muir as a curiosity at best, a fool at worst following the Willisee interview, or simply a puppet of Clive Palmer following Palmer’s announcement the Muir would form a voting bloc with PUP.

Muir’s first action after being sworn in however was to independently introduce amendments to block the government’s savage cuts to the Australian Renewable Energy Agency with a view of scrapping the agency altogether.

Muir’s actions caught both the MSM and the government off guard, and left the government stunned. The best however, was yet to come.

Back peddling furiously, the government agreed to continue funding ARENA in exchange for the withdrawal of Muir’s amendment, but hoping that the vote on the repeal of the Carbon tax would be finalized on Thursday with a favorable outcome for the LNP.

This was not to be. Muir joined with PUP, Labor and the Greens to write further amendments to the bill to ensure that full savings from the repeal would be passed on to consumers.

The final vote to reject the repeal was 37 to the government’s 35.

This leaves the Abbott government to introduce a new repeal bill which includes the Palmer amendment to the House, and the debate starts all over again.

In less than a week Muir has gone from zero to hero, with social media now prepared to sing his praises, albeit faintly due to Clive Palmer grabbing most of the media attention for today’s move.

On his Facebook page, Muir wrote of himself as “As an average Australian who wants to make balanced decisions which hopefully reflect on everyday Australians.”

A month ago, I wrote that; such honesty despite its apparent naivete, is welcome and  refreshing in a political arena dominated by time servers, party hacks, and Neo-Liberal dog-eat-dog ideology.

Whatever Muir’s communication faults may be, he is still representative of a democracy that prides itself in the fact that anyone with the determination to have their voice heard and who wants to change the system can be elected if they present a credible argument to voters in their electorate.

Moreover, Muir also embodies the fundamental Australian principle of ‘a fair go’.

Within four days of taking his seat in the Senate, Muir has not only shown himself to be his own man, but is as good as his word in making balanced decisions for all Australians.

Let’s hope that he continues to do so.

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  1. Ruth Lipscombe

    Hear!Hear!
    Dare we hope that this new mob will bring some straight thinking/fairness back into our political lives.
    So far Ricky Muir has earned his salary in my eyes.

  2. deanyz1

    I messaged Ricky before July, urging him to be his own man and stand up to abbott. He either has, or Clive is giving him some ammo to use, to make Ricky look credible. That way, the Palmer ‘bloc’ each get to have their say. I hope Ricky and the rest defeat it again.

  3. my say

    keep up the good work Ricky,some one has to keep this grubby lot honest

  4. edward eastwood

    @deanyz1 So say we all deanyz1, although watching the whole saga unfold on the Guardian live-feed, I’m little peeved that Palmer is grabbing most of the credit but that’s politics for you.

    Also interesting to watch the spin that Hunt and Abetz are trying to put on it.

    Without doubt, the next move from Abbott will be to bray about having a mandate, and being elected to clean up ‘Labor’s debt and deficit mess’ and will be faithfully trumpeted by the Murdoch media – stand by for further developments.

  5. Rob031

    Below is a link to a video clip that I just spotted. In it are a series of excellent SMH Spooner cartoons depicting Captain Crackers and his crew of cronies. The soundtrack is sung in Latin which should appeal to Abbott and his mostly Catholic front bench.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmEDQM5HGQ&feature=youtu.be

  6. Lee

    Now there are moves underway to overhaul the system that would prevent the Ricky Muirs of Australia from being elected.

  7. Dan Rowden

    Edward,

    Within four days of taking his seat in the Senate, Muir has not only shown himself to be his own man, but is as good as his word in making balanced decisions for all Australians.

    “[…]his own man[…] I’m very troubled by that interpretation of events. I see no evidence whatever that it’s true. Who is advising him in the background? He most certainly is not operating on the basis of his own intellect and knowledge of the issues at hand.

  8. Edward Eastwood

    @Dan Rowden I meant it in a broad sense Dan and not to be taken literally, and all Senators have advisers as do all Ministers

    As for the basis of operating on one’s intellect and knowledge of the issues at hand being the principle criteria, then I suspect that the only people in either House would be the cleaners. 🙂

  9. TechinBris

    [] You can’t have ordinary people having a say! They might make the wrong decision that is not good for the correct Corporations or Banks! They might actually lose some of the taxes, which have been collected rigorously in the Nation, to the wrong people and not Big Business, to which they owe their borrowed lifestyles to. Some people are so unappreciative.
    Just think of where that could lead to. We might have people thinking that they are entitled to something, when they are only entitled to what Business Investors say they are. *sniff* Next thing, they’ll want the Shareholder’s wealth paying for their health care! The pretentious selfishness of such an act! Never, it cannot be.
    What about poor Business? It isn’t easy, you know, but Shareholders are our Owners by their investment! We owe them an exponential growth in profits, for their risk in investing in our Tribes!
    So Business investing in politics means the Shareholder has invested into the best outcomes for our empowering Monitory System, so why would we even consider having temerity to consider against our Shareholder’s wishes by populating the Parliament with People Representatives, who might stuff up all our hard work and investments? It’s not easy, but we all should try together! 🙂
    []

  10. Alison RM

    @ Rob031 The soundtrack from that video is a piece of music called ‘Carmina Burana’. The composer was Carl Orff.

  11. Dan Rowden

    There is an important difference between the ordinary and the ignorant. Some some can be neither; some can be both; some be one or the other. No Senator of this country ought be both. Ever.

  12. TechinBris

    Damn. My (startintensesarcasmsatire) and (endintensesarcasmsatire) didn’t work. 🙁

  13. kathysutherland2013

    Bogans rule!

  14. Edward Eastwood

    @Dan Rowden “No Senator of this country ought be both. Ever.” I agree Dan but with only four days in the chair, wouldn’t you say that it’s a little early to judge whether Muir is ordinary in the political sense (not in the human sense which would certainly put him in good company with 99.9% of the rest of the planet), or for that matter – ignorant.

  15. mars08

    Reclusive by nature, Muir refused to give interviews….

    From what I’ve seen in other cases, such an attitude will be exploited by the grubbier sections of the media. They will ..spread rumours and printing inaccurate stories… they will use “unnamed” sources… all in the hope that he will cave in and join the media circus.

  16. Edward Eastwood

    @TechinBris You’re absolutely right! Who knows what this could lead to? A return to full employment (gasp), a sensible foreign policy and recognition of our obligations under UN agreements on asylum seekers (shock!!!) and (shudder) the truth that government ‘deficit’ is not debt and never needs to be repaid!

    I tell ya Howie, we’re entering uncharted waters here! 🙂

  17. Edward Eastwood

    @kathysutherland13 “Bogans rule!” Let’s hope that they can help govern wisely. 🙂

  18. Kaye Makovec

    Oy! Just because somebody is from the bush it doesn’t mean they are a bogan.
    Just because somebody is not used to public speaking it doesn’t mean they are a bogan.
    Just because somebody is nervous in a TV interview it doesn’t mean they are a bogan.
    Just because somebody works in a low paid job it doesn’t mean they are a bogan.
    A bogan is somebody with a below average intelligence and often left school around 15.

    But, just because somebody has little or no formal education does not mean they are not intelligent and proof of that is how this current government is full of people educated far above their intelligence.

    Personally I think this bloke is one who could put up common sense ideas to his friends who then told him he should run for parliament, so he did.

    Furthermore, a lack of knowledge of parliamentary procedures has nothing to do with intellect.

  19. Dan Rowden

    Edward,

    I want to know who’s advising and directing Muir in the background. I absolutely resist the idea that he is a person capable of independent, critical thought of the level of sophistication that we need in our Senate, whatever outcome may superficially feed into current “leftist” desires.

  20. Dan Rowden

    Kaye Makovec,

    […]just because somebody has little or no formal education does not mean they are not intelligent and proof of that is how this current government is full of people educated far above their intelligence.[…]

    I, and Socrates, humbly disagree with you. If you enter the Senate with no education, whom do you imagine is educating you as to every facet of your role there?

    One of the worst and least appreciated facts of democracy is that it’s possible for it to lead to incredibly stuffed-up people running things. Hello. Current Government. Hello.

  21. edward eastwood

    @Kaye Makovec Did you read the article and/or the accompanying link?

    If so, could you please point out where I have inferred that Muir is unintelligent? or where I have even mentioned parliamentary procedures?

    In fact I wrote that Muir’s honesty and his willingness to to have a go, in the second roughest, toughest arena in the world was welcome and refreshing.

    FYI, I grew up in the bush, left school at 15 with little in the way of formal education and worked in what seemed to be a never ending chain of low paid jobs until the age of 45, so I guess that puts me in good company with most the categories you’ve mentioned in your comment.

  22. Dan Rowden

    Funny when usernames lose their capitals. Anyway – the Senate is no place for people with as narrow a band of political interest as Muir has. It is simply outrageous. I don’t care how “down home” he may seem when it suits. The fact is he’s a moron.

  23. Lee

    @ Dan – How do you know Ricky Muir has a narrow band of political interests? The AMEP has quite a broad range of beliefs on their website, in addition to their narrow policy range.

    Intelligence is not the same as education. Tony Abbott is a case in point.

  24. The AIM Network

    Intelligence is not the same as education. Tony Abbott is a case in point.

    GOLD!

  25. Edward Eastwood

    Well Dan, IF and only IF that proves to be the case, he’ll wont be longing for company on “The Hill.”

  26. Dan Rowden

    @Lee,

    Ricky is caught up in an interesting but depressing phase of Australian politics. Maybe he’ll learn something along the way. We can only hope so.

  27. kathysutherland2013

    Lighten up, Kaye Macovec! I love bogans!

  28. Lee

    @ Dan

    I’m sure Ricky will learn something. Let’s hope he is more willing to learn than anyone in the LNP seems to be. I’ve only watched one interview of him, which was a bit of a worry. However today I’m glad he is in the Senate at the expense of one more private school educated, god bothering, selfish, nasty, Rinehart arse kissing twat from the Liberal party.

  29. Jay

    Why is he a bogan? Seems he’s disliked until he makes decisions that support Labor’s. I guess if you stereotype people you have a closed mind.

  30. don winter

    dan oh sorry Dan I’m sick of your arrogant pompous crap.

  31. Kaye Lee

    Anyone who enters the Senate would need advice to start with…far more than for most jobs. It is the only job where you start at the top. And this is the problem. The majority of the people have a party to help (be that good or bad)…Ricky doesn’t. And he doesn’t seem to know a great deal about politics (once again, be that good or bad). So someone MUST advise him. It’s not like they sit there discussing various ideas in some form of a respectful or informative brainstorming session. The pomp and ceremony, the wheeling and dealings, the procedural regulations….no-one can enter that cold. If you are part of a Senate Committee you have to know the questions to ask and who to ask. I think Ricky is probably a nice guy, I am sure Jacqui is passionate about helping Tasmania – I just wonder if they are savvy enough to understand big pictures and avoid being played.

  32. Frosty

    Mr Rowden – If you have ever sat through a Senate Estimates hearing, as I did many times during my former job, you would observe all Senators referring to their laptops before asking their next question. I wondered why and then I worked it out – they are getting emails from their advisers about what question to ask next. It’s how it works – go to Canberra during the next Estimates hearing in November and observe it for yourself.

  33. sam

    So what.

    If Ricky is able to see based on overwhelming evidence that scrapping the carbon tax to replace with nothing is worse than leaving it in place. How does that prove anything other than Australian politics is rank? A small child could have made that decision if elected.

    Contextualise the issue. Global warming will be a catastophe for Australia especially.
    Best outcome so far: ETS was riddled with compromise.
    Carbon tax was absolutely terrible effort… but its implemented. If we had a normal conservative government there would be the usual snail’s pace of improvement on environmental issues.
    NOW:
    Rigged marked capitalism and fascism of the liberals. With direct support to increase emmissions and obfuscate even knowing if there was an increase (lets not beat around the bush).

    All due respect to Edward for writing the article but thats too optimistic 😉
    “such honesty despite its apparent naivete, is welcome and refreshing in a political arena dominated by time servers, party hacks, and Neo-Liberal dog-eat-dog ideology.”

    I’d take this the other way personally. Ricky is a public servant elected by Australians. He has to make his motives and ideology clear.

    There is no way he can remain quiet and ‘naieve’ when you have a senate that is all that stands in the way between center right (Labor) and fascism (Liberals).
    He should go on 7:30 report or whatever lightweight media there that can do an interview without bulls**t rhetoric and make his thought process clear now that would be ‘refreshing’.

    Its only a good outcome so out of the 3 big Liberal lies/policy one has been teporarily halted. ‘scrap the tax’, ‘stop the boats’ and ‘labor debt’.

    The opposite of democracy is happening in Australia. Think tanks and ‘big’ politics decide which issues the media will whip up into a frenzy for WE THE PUBLIC to vote on these in an election based on said parites reaction to proposed issue. Not the real issues. Not issues put foward by people, oh no never for one second. They only get mentioned occassionally in the news cycle when they connect with a physical event (usually a hard constraint due to the laws of physics ;)) but the contextualisation of those is never taken to the same extreme that is is with the made up issues.

    This is the core concept of liberal party: to invent issues the make them seem morally superior for everyone to debate while they try to run a tangential agenda of catastrophic conservative broken policy.

  34. corvus boreus

    don winter,
    Thank you for expressing your personal fatigue at the opinions and information shared on this forum by Dan R, and the lofty diction with which he expresses them, which must, for you, rate as a priority of outrage in the current clime of planetary degredation and anti-competent national governance.
    Your views on your feelings for another blogger were eruditely expressed and contributed massively to the general dialogue.
    Double the respect for your adherence to the convention of apologising prior to throwing your ball of faesces.
    I, however, welcome Dan Rowden’s ‘pompous and arrogant crap’, it provides a contrast to my own haughty and egocentric guano.

  35. corvus boreus

    On topic, I myself made assumptions on the outlook and capabilities of Senator Muir based on his you-tubed exploits flinging macropod scats and his role as parliamentary petitioner for the rights of revheads. “Dumb bogan”, I thought. This view was reinforced by his uninspiring television debut.
    I admit I may have been premature and mistaken in my assessments/assumptions.
    I suspect the WA branch of the LNP jumped to similar hasty conclusions about his abilities and views when they enabled his election through the distribution of prefences.
    I cannot come to a conclusion on the senator for hoons, his term has been too brief and his statements too few, but I think he has already given the LNP a case of ‘buyer’s regret’.

  36. Sir ScotchMistery

    Kaye Makovec – After seeing Ms Lambie on The Project, it’s fairly obvious your definition of a bogan doesn’t work. Ms Lambie got past 15 in school or she would not have gotten into the army.

    I don’t believe it’s just about school, or the bush. There is more to it than your simplistic detail. There has to be, since Ms Lambie (now Senator Lambie) is quite obviously a bogan.

  37. Terry2

    I’ve just heard Greg Hunt – on am – say that the delay in repealing the carbon tax is costing Australians $11 million a day. So that is around $4 billion a year. That loss of revenue is going to take a lot to replace, Tony.

  38. Sir ScotchMistery

    Would that $11,000,000 be coming from the same bag as the 68billion went into, to make sure we knew ALP had stuffed up?

    The whole issue with finance and these folk is that they are just clones of Peta Credlin. They lie as a matter of course, their tongues hang out regularly, and they can’t be trusted with the truth.

  39. jagman48

    Terry2 their whole budget stratergy is in tatters. I sometimes wonder why the coalition are determined to upset so many voters so soon in power.

  40. Kaye Makovec

    I’ll start with Edward Eastwood.
    1. Never mentioned you by name so why would you think I was replying to you only? I was referring to everybody who used the word bogan.
    2. FYI – I can go you better on the lack of education as I was pulled out of school with special dispensation at 13 after grade 6 to work in a pub kitchen as ‘girls don’t need an education as they only get married’ (and not ethnic parents but many generational Australians) and worked in never ending low paid jobs, often 3 at a time after having to sell my house to pay off ex husband’s debts until retirement age. I am only now adjusting to having the most money I have ever had in my life on the state pension with no superannuation and Abbott wants to take some of that away from me.
    3. I also grew up in the bush, the real bush, in places where there was no school and often had to learn by Correspondence, but that still does not make me a bogan.

    Dan Rowden – No idea what school you went to but none of the ones I attended educated me on every facet of the senate. Perhaps we have a different interpretation of a formal education? To me a formal education is attending secondary school for 6 years. My point is that even a university graduate still needs to be ‘educated’ on parliamentary protocol and not knowing that protocol does not a bogan make. I imagine there are people there paid to teach them all the ways and means.

    And your last sentence proves my point that even people with a very well endowed formal education can lead to incredibly stuffed-up people running things. Hello. Current Government. Hello. 🙂

    Wasn’t it Socrates who believed in students having questions, not answers?
    Muir will have to prove himself and in my opinion should be given the chance and not made fun of, yet, unless he turns out to be as stupid as the Abbott mob and I doubt that is possible even for a bogan 🙂

    And in case people think a bogan is a cutesie term, it is not, it is a derogatory term meaning somebody who is uncouth and uncouth means

    1.
    lacking good manners, refinement, or grace.
    “he is unwashed, uncouth, and drunk most of the time”
    synonyms: uncivilized, uncultured, uncultivated, unrefined, unpolished, unsophisticated, common, low, plebeian, philistine, rough, coarse, provincial, rustic, crude, gross, loutish, hooligan, boorish, oafish; More

  41. Kaye Makovec

    I think some people here need to learn comprehension.
    I did not say somebody who was uneducated is a bogan. In fact I said the exact opposite.

    “Just because somebody is from the bush it doesn’t mean they are a bogan.
    Just because somebody is not used to public speaking it doesn’t mean they are a bogan.
    Just because somebody is nervous in a TV interview it doesn’t mean they are a bogan.
    Just because somebody works in a low paid job it doesn’t mean they are a bogan.”

    and I will highlight the bit some missed

    A bogan is somebody with a BELOW AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE and often left school around 15.

    Don’t pick and choose parts of my statement to suit your own bias please. Cheers.

  42. Kaye Makovec

    Sir ScotchMistery – so because a person does not have a refined educated speech she is a bogan?
    You too Sir, need to understand that lack of formal education does not mean the person is a bogan.

    As I said before, ” just because somebody has little or no formal education does not mean they are not intelligent and proof of that is how this current government is full of people educated far above their intelligence.”

  43. CMMC

    His chief advisor is ‘preference whisperer’ Glenn Druery.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Druery

  44. Kaye Makovec

    kathysutherland2013 – ” I love bogans!”
    that is similar to saying ‘some of my best friends are black’.
    I don’t for one moment believe a bogan wants to be a bogan and they should not be ridiculed as objects of fun.

    NOBODY should be ridiculed, it’s bad enough that we are all ‘classed’ as mentally disabled, bogans, lower class, middle class and upper class.

  45. Dan Rowden

    Kaye Makovec,

    I’m not talking about learning the “protocols” and procedures of the Senate; naturally any person has to go through a learning phase in relation to such matters. I’m talking about having a proper appreciation of the role and demands of the Senate and of being a Senator. I absolutely contend that that is not something a person ought learn on the fly. Not only is Ricky Muir not equipped, nor is his “Party”. It may be the case that Democracy allows for the existence and success of self interested groups who hastily slap together a political manifesto so as to not look stupid – http://www.hawkerbritton.com/images/data/Australian%20Motoring%20Enthusiast%20Party.pdf – but to me it’s a tragedy in the making.

    I’m unable to be enthusiastic about a man who publicly boasts about his 8 year old daughter being able to do burnouts in a high powered vehicle being in my Senate. I’m sorry, but I simply cannot. In an interview he couldn’t even begin to explain a term he himself employs – evidently so as to look like he knows what he’s talking about. He was clever to align himself with PUP because that will tend to give the impression he knows what he’s doing if PUP does something we like.

    He may rise to the occasion. I have conceded that possibility, but there’s nothing about the man, to this point, that suggests it’s likely. This moment in Australian political life is about as important as any moment we’ve known. I cannot and will not concede the notion that this, therefore, is a suitable time to have a simplistic, petrol-head, “small government” advocate in our Senate.

    For the record, I have not used the term “bogan” in relation to Muir. Lambi, well, that’s another matter …

  46. jimhaz

    [A bogan is somebody with a BELOW AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE and often left school around 15.]

    There can also be bogans of reasonable intelligence – but where that intelligence has been destroyed or buried by drug/alcohol abuse or foul parenting.

    Anyone who thinks boganism is sort of funny is a complete and utter twit – I hate the trend to acceptance of boganism in the media. I see it as the curse of modern society. It is also part of the reason conservative governments get elected – State LNP governments have often run election campaigns on crime and order in the past – and also why the general population probably don’t mind the current mobs tough rules on lowest end welfare.

  47. Michael Taylor

    I don’t see where Edward has personally called Ricky Muir a bogan. In my opinion, he has used the word to describe – in a nutshell – the media’s opinion of him.

  48. lmonday2014

    What is the MSM?

  49. Sir ScotchMistery

    Think Murdoch, Fairfax and to a lesser degree ABC – Mainstream Media.

  50. Sir ScotchMistery

    I’m missing something Ms Makovec. I didn’t at any stage deliberately refer to a bogan, based on their education. I don’t believe boganism is an educational issue. It’s a behaviour, it’s a way of being, it’s an attitude if you like.

    I have gone back and not one person referred to you as a bogan. There were references to bogans in the senate. I’m reasonably sure you aren’t in the senate, since senators are incapable of being educated outside the party room.

    Does this mean you see yourself as a bogan by virtue of education? If so, it isn’t important to us here. We don’t care. We wouldn’t have known you think of yourself like that if the issue wasn’t raised. Personally, I wish you wouldn’t. The simple fact that you are here, to me at least, indicates you aren’t the person running round sending boats back and congratulating a person hardly capable of making a coherent argument, for his stand. That’s the bogan.

    It doesn’t require education to think, Ms Makovec. In much the same way as intelligence isn’t needed to have a lot of money. Look at Rupert Murdoch.

  51. Kaye Makovec

    Sir ScotchMistery – Please go back and read my simplistic reply again. I really do not understand why some here cannot understand that bogan is not term of endearment, and you actually referred to Senator Lambie as “quite obviously a bogan.”

    You also said – “I have gone back and not one person referred to you as a bogan.”

    I never said anybody did refer to me as a bogan, I was replying to the fact that some referred to Muir as a bogan, including the headline. I was simply trying to explain that he may not be because of the reasons I gave. Having only heard the few words he spoke in one interview I would not presume him to be a bogan without further knowledge. Even then I would not be rude enough to use the term, same as I would not call somebody a retard or a spastic, or a ranga etc.
    My first comments were to point out that it is not nice and unnecessary to label a man based on a first brief impression, especially knowing that once that term is used in public it will stick with the man forever.

    I think it is a little strange that it is considered OK by some to use derogatory labels and that is one of the main reasons why I despise Abbott and Co. The way they supported the labeling of Gillard was just plain disgusting. And no, (sigh) I am not a Laborite, a Leftie, a Commie, a Socialist, a Greenie, a Leftard or even a Lefttard 🙂 or any other label that some try to stick on me, just well mannered 🙂

    PS. I also stated that some are educated above their intelligence so I am fully aware that education is no proof of intelligence. Neither is having lots of money a sign of intelligence. In fact I have personal knowledge of both 🙂
    And I would rather not look at Rupert Murdoch thank you 🙂
    PPS. No, I do not consider myself a bogan.

  52. Sir ScotchMistery

    So your whole complaint was that someone referred to Muir as a bogan, just as I did with Sen. Lambie, and the issue for you is “niceness”? 🙂

    Okay I can wear that. Is Muir a bogan? Maybe or maybe not. Does it matter? In the greater scheme of things probably not. Do I care if Muir is labelled as a bogan if he isn’t? Not really, though after this morning I have a raft of respect for him that I didn’t the other night. I will wait and see how he gets it together over the next few weeks, and starts to find his feet. 😀

    In the mean time, have you noticed the references used hereabouts for PeteRabbott? If bogan upset you re Muir, I look forward to your sending us to the naughty corner when we hit our straps every time the current incumbent of the chair normally reserved the country’s pm, gets one stuck into him.

    Likewise I wait with baited breath for your reactions the next time a senator from the pup side of the house is seen on national television offering to maul a Tasmanian. Truthfully, it was only Abetz, 🙁 but you get what I mean.

    http://media.theage.com.au/news/federal-politics/jacqui-lambie-pm-should-sack-disgraceful-abetz-5585726.html for your reference. 😀

  53. Terry2

    I’ve heard several people today ( including Clive Palmer) say that the Senate was never intended to be a rubber stamp for the government of the day : I have no problem with that concept nor with the way the PUP senators are struggling to bring fairness to the extremes of this government.

    Who would ever have thought that we would have a government in Australia who would see it as appropriate to celebrate repealing sensible legislation.

  54. kathysutherland2013

    Jeez, Kaye Makovec, where’s your sense of fun? What a strange interpretation of my comment! Who’s ridiculing who? Certainly not me! Perhaps it’s time to start thinking about people as people, rather than putting strange interpretations on comments which may not conform to your particular brand of pedantry.

  55. Kaye Makovec

    “Perhaps it’s time to start thinking about people as people, ”
    Precisely what I was getting at kathysutherland2013.

    And I’ll bet you London to a brick if the shoe was on the other foot you would consider it bullying or harassment.

  56. Kaye Makovec

    And as it seems nobody noticed the fact that I was replying to the article’s headline in the first instance, (or preferred to take my remarks as personally directed towards them), and because I naively considered the AIM Network a form of public media in much the same way as the MSM used to be, I will leave you to it.
    If I want my comments to be taken the wrong way I can get that on LNP Facebook pages 🙂
    Cheers.

  57. DanDark

    Kaye Makovec,
    I agree with you, the word “Bogan” was used in headline, in what context it was hard to tell, whether that is edwards opinion, or some other meaning was hard to workout, I think that Edward could of explained it better at start, but we all make mistakes as humans and Edward has tried to explain, where it sort of went wrong and caused so much friction between commentators who usually “get on” and are here to fight the same cause, getting rid of this bloody shocker of a fed gov, passing on information, links, videos,
    and this forum gives people emotional comfort that people are helping them, that are willing and able to spend a lot of time and effort and personal expense to help folk and Edward is one of many good people who contribute to this forum 🙂
    but the attacks by other commentators are sometimes very nasty and not called for, and the comparison to MSN is a fair comment too, some people don’t just make a general comment, they go around and leave nasty comments on others comments, I don’t understand this obnoxious behavior by a few on here, it keeps me from commenting a lot now, it gets brutal yep 🙂

    I think Ricky Muir will do well in the senate, better than some that have been rusted on to the joint for year 🙂

  58. kathysutherland2013

    Kaye Makovec, I don’t think anyone was suggesting you were directing your remarks towards them. I certainly didn’t, although I certainly took objection to what I SAW as your unfortunate concerns with labels rather than people.

    Don’t go – life is too short to get cranky!

  59. Edward Eastwood

    @Dan Dark Many thanks Dan.

  60. Gerry

    Senators Muir and Lambie are to be congratulated for starting to shake the hell out of politics. I find their attitude quite refreshing. Under Don Chipp, the Democrats tried to “keep the bastards honest”, but we all know how Meg (f)Lees wrecked that. She exhibited bogan naivete to the N’th degree.

    Conversely both Senators Muir and Lambie exhibit so much “down-to-earth” initiative and dare I say it “commonsense” as to make me feel proud that there is someone now in parliament who do actually recognise that there is the citizenry for whom they can speak and PERFORM.

  61. Dan Rowden

    Gerry,

    I don’t think making any sort of comparison between Muir and Lambi and Don Chipp is remotely legitimate. Chipp had been in Federal politics since 1960 when he embarked on his campaign to keep them honest. When you say you find Muir’s and Lambi’s “attitude” refreshing, what attitude is that, precisely? Lambi’s doesn’t appear more sophisticated than that of thinking she knows better than experienced politicians with little or no substance to support such self-belief.

  62. Sir ScotchMistery

    @ KM

    How about we ask this.. First look at the headline then reply to the substance of the heading rather than word pick it. If you want to judge people’s views you will have much more success here where views are expressed candidly and often with some vigour.

    The whole point of any independent media is to give a voice to those who are not heard on MSM.

    Looking back over this discussion all of your posts were about a word. Not a single point about the topic. Don’t leave simply because we aren’t politically correct. If you want to leave do so for a good reason and in my opinion, that isn’t.

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