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My thoughts on the Week that Was

Saturday June 13

1 I am an artist with a Dip of Fine Arts. How anyone could say that Wind Farms are a blot on the landscape is beyond me. Thank God our PM didn’t pursue a career in industrial design.

The Prime Minister’s scathing comments on wind-farms and renewable energy put him out of step with the way the world is moving.

2 It would be remarkable, if true, that a Government so intent on destroying people smugglers, actually paid them to turn boats around so as to protect its own reputation of “stopping the boats”. Absolutely incredible but I suspect most Australians won’t give it much thought. Such is their apathy.

Sunday June 14

1 Hockey’s advice to first home buyers looking to get into the housing market may have been self-evidently correct but on top of his other gaffes and those of the Prime Minister’s one wonders how around 48% of the population would willingly still vote for them.

2 The polls next week will be revealing.

3 “Given her own story and connection, I had hoped to see a more courageous and compassionate response.”

These are the words of the brother of Nats Senator Bridget McKenzie, Alastair who is gay. It seems the Senator is committed to traditional marriage but not the conservative rights of individuals and the voice of equality.

4 Bill Shorten has agreed to appear at the Royal Commission into Unions. John Howard felt that Royal Commission witch hunts were a bad idea and usually came back to haunt you.

Given no evidence has come forward, at this time, of any wrong doing on his part I shall not comment further other than to say I hope the companies involved had a very good reason for not reporting to the police, any alleged bribe.

An observation: Saturday night 10 News leads with Shorten dragged into appearance before Union Royal Commission. At the end of the news service there is a short prom for the Bolt Report asking the question “Did Shorten break the law?” Talk about media manipulation. Conversely 7 opens with a story on Abbott’s refusal to come clean on payments to people smugglers.

5 From the “US Catholics” blog:

As Catholics, we believe that housing is a human right, and that society has a shared obligation to ensure that individuals and families have access to safe and affordable housing. We see firsthand in our communities and in our parishes, the pain and suffering caused by homelessness and the lack of affordable housing”.

And we have a Catholic Prime Minister who supposedly follows his faith.

Pope

Monday 15 June

1 To think that an “Australian Government” who has so demonised both asylum seekers and the people who smuggle them, now openly pays them to turn boats around, is insulting the very people who elected them. This act of consorting with criminals to achieve a political purpose is reprehensible. If the Australian people condones its government doing deals with known criminals then they are as stupid as the government they elected. And flippantly avoiding the people’s right to know further insults every citizen’s intelligence.

2 Happened to catch the Bolt Report on Ten Sunday afternoon.

Bolt climate

Peter Costello is a panelist and I cannot help but make a comparison with the ABC’s Insider program on which the panelists were measured and factual. His program simple caters for conservative rednecks and displays no objectivity. In fact the panel seemed to approve the alleged payments to people smugglers.

Piers Ackerman the discredited duplicate of Bolt in Sydney appeared giving his OK to the behavior of Joe Hockey. Every guest reinforces conservative values with vigorous, loud enthusiasm. Not one difficult question from the host.

Christopher Pyne, the mouth that roared, astonishingly admitted that he doesn’t trust his colleagues in cabinet.

Chris pyne

“No fears no favors” he signs off with. Please explain.

3 Todays IPSOS Fairfax poll has Labor 53 with the LNP on 47. Bill Shorten has regained his lead as preferred PM.

Tuesday 16 June

1 The IPSOS poll has now fallen into line with all the other published polls to indicate the government has not achieved a budget bounce. (It must be said that governments only gets budget bounces on very rare occasions. However, this one was deliberately framed to do so. It confirms my previously stated view that the budget did nothing for the Government. Following them Morgan Poll has Labor at 54.5 and LNP 45.5

2 Last week both the Foreign Minister and the Immigration Minister said in public interviews that the Government didn’t pay criminals to turn boats around. In parliament they couldn’t answer the same question because of security reasons.

And the PM’s failure to answer the question for the same reason leaves the Australian public with no other option than to conclude that it is yet another lie. Or a lie about a lie. But then he told us he was a liar before we elected him so we shouldn’t be at all surprised. He may think he is on safe ground because he is pumping up his security measures but breaking the law to do so is beyond the public’s acceptance.

It raises the question, have they really stopped the boats, or have they just been paying to have them turned around?

Conversation pieces:

“We asked the Minister if he agreed with himself and he wasn’t able to answer” (Tony Burke).

“1942 John Curtin stood against the might of the Japanese empire. 2015 Tony Abbott wants to terrify you about a few loopy kids from Lakemba” (Mike Carlton).

“I wonder if in Tony Abbott’s war on ice he would be willing to bribe drug dealers” (Richard Dennis).

“Who would have thought that Tony Abbott would get to a point where he can’t say NO” (Tony Burke).

“Bit messy in Parliament House, and it’s not just because the cleaners are on strike” (Tony Burke).

8 “Paying off people smugglers would save money” (Philip Ruddock).

Tuesday 17 June

1 Is it really possible, as some commentators are suggesting, that the PM is deliberately using the boat bribery accusation as a diversion? If the results of the Lowy Institute poll are correct the public are shit scared of terrorism and why are the media not reporting on government negotiations with Senate independents regarding important budget legislation?

This PM, If he hasn’t already, is dragging this country’s international reputation through the mud.

Who is drawing attention to the ABC’s Four Corners program on coal or the Pope’s speaking out on the dangers of Climate Change? Both an embarrassment to the LNP.

2 When I finished writing this I watched an interview with Abbott in which he said for the millionth time “we have stopped the boats” and we have done so within the law. Now I ask myself: “It’s illegal to bribe people and given he has said they have acted within the law hasn’t he answered the question with a NO”. I believe he has implied that.

Maybe it is just a diversion but gee, can our politics get any lower?

3 Bronwyn Bishops performance on Q&A did nothing to enhance the dignity of the office of the Speaker. I think the audience said more than I can say in words

4 The final result for Newspoll-as-we-know-it is much better for the Coalition than IPSOS or Morgan, 51/49 to Labor. It’s the last Newspoll before it switches to Galaxy.

Wednesday 17 June

1 The shenanigans of the last couple of days is but an illustration of the depths our political system has slipped. Labor might be able to claim the slightly higher ground in that they may not have paid to have boats turned around whereas the Liberals very well may have.

The biggest loser, however, is the state of our democracy. Politics must be the only institution that never seeks to improve itself.

Democracy

Here is just one example: Bronwyn Bishop appears on Q&A and totality trashes the traditions of the position of Speaker by making political comments about issues that could appear before the Parliament. Speakers simply don’t go into the media to talk about the current political debate.

The state of our democracy is badly in need of repair.

2 This week’s Essential Poll comes in with Labor leading 52/48. The more interesting part of it was the status of institutions. On the question of who do you trust political parties came last at 12%.

Thursday 18 June

1 An observation:

“Why is it politicians are given the title ‘the honourable'”?

2 Addressing pension sustainability without addressing superannuation tax concessions is futile and will achieve very little. That is why Labor was saying “no”. They were trying to force Abbott into addressing the problem. The Greens have made a naive decision.

3 I have written much on the subject of the state of our democracy and I don’t think I have ever been in such despair about it. Whilst I am tempted to repost my previous post I will leave it to those wishing to read it to do so. Does Aussie Democracy Exist Anymore?

4 George Brandis is in a bit of trouble with all eight crossbenchers voting with Labor and the Greens to establish two Senate inquiries. Both will scrutinise the actions of the Attorney-General.

The legal and constitutional affairs references committee will now review the handling of the letter sent by Martin Place siege gunman Man Haron Monis to the Attorney-General and, separately, Senator Brandis’ decision to divert $105 million from the Australia Council to a new program that has been branded by Labor as his own “arts slush fund”, the National Program for Excellence in the Arts.

abbott liar

5 At the risk of repeating myself, when the PM says he has stopped the boats and has done so legally he is in effect saying that they have not paid people smugglers. How about a question beginning with “given that you have said you don’t pay people smugglers … ” Abbott interrupts “but but but”. Journalist: well you said you did everything legally.

6 LNP branches using the ABC’s The Killing Fields for fund-raisers is yet another example of the decline in respect and civility between political parties.

Friday 19 June

1 Tony Abbott has accused the ALP of “rolling out the red carpet” for terrorists to come back to Australia because it is questioning whether a decision to strip citizenship from foreign fighters should be made by a Minister without the involvement of the courts.

terror law trap

That of course is another lie. For a PM seeking bipartisanship on these matters to say such things is reprehensible. It’s just that they are opposed to legislation that was not informed by any documentation, cabinet submission or legal advice. Legislation that would enable an incapable Minister like Dutton to decide on the citizenship of anyone. In other words they want us to respect the law of the land.

They want to keep the Australian people safe, they say. I hope that includes victims of child abuse, domestic violence, those contemplating suicide etc etc. and I hope they put in equal resources.

2 Australian politics has degenerated into a daily dose of conservative negativity. Every day we are subjected to the drug of Tony Abbott’s morose personality of shock and awe politics. Thrust upon us is a constant stream of we “know what’s best for everyone” that disregards the common good with a determination to govern for those who have and ignore those who have not.

3 By the way. The Killing Fields rated abysmally.

4 Bill Shorten is again accused of another dodgy union deal but former chairman of toll road operator ConnectEast Tony Shepherd, who recently led the Federal Government’s Commission of Audit, at the time congratulated Thiess John Holland, the AWU and construction union on the industrial agreements reached.

“It’s a unique outcome for a massive and unique project and it will provide the contractor with the flexibility required to achieve completion on time and on budget” , Mr Shepherd said.

It’s important to point out that this is exactly what the Prime Minister wanted when he announced the Trade Union Royal Commission. While there may (may) be other, worthwhile things that spring from the Commission, I doubt anyone really doubts that Tony Abbott’s aim all along was to drag Labor figures onto the stand, and thus through the inevitable media storm that accompanies such events.

Midday thoughts:

1 Can we please also have a Coal Commissioner? I for one have many complaints to register. A wind farm commissioner represents a new low in Abbott’s relentless anti-renewables campaign”. Anyone who thinks he is remotely interested in Climate Change has rocks in their head.

2 The Pope has said nothing factually on the state of our planet that is not already known. The force of his argument however is in the moral position he puts to his millions of followers. But of course the moral argument is always confronted by the evils of capitalism, greed, power and privilege.

3 In yet another example of the PM telling blatant lies: Former national security law watchdog Bret Walker, SC, has launched a blistering attack on the government’s “absurd” handling of the citizenship debate’’ and demanded Prime Minister Tony Abbott apologise.

4 Bill Shorten today gets another drubbing from the MSM. This time about campaign funds. Of course they don’t mention Hockey’s dubious funding or Reinhart funding Joyce. Have any laws been broken? I’m waiting for some facts.

Having said that, wouldn’t it be nice to have some squeaky clean leaders?

Finally:

There have been four polls released this week. The IPSOS and Morgan polls both showed a substantial increase in the Labor vote share, but Newspoll and Essential have not supported this trend to Labor. Here is this week’s poll table. Note that Morgan leans to Labor by about one point, while IPSOS leans to the Coalition by a similar margin. The last Ipsos was the 50-50 tie following the budget, while the other polls are weekly or fortnightly.

Newspoll 51/49 for ALP, Essential 52/48 for ALP, Morgan 54.5/45.5 for ALP, IPSOS 53/47 for ALP.

And this is the week that was.

 

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  1. bobrafto

    1 I am an artist with a Dip of Fine Arts. How anyone could say that Wind Farms are a blot on the landscape is beyond me. Thank God our PM didn’t pursue a career in industrial design.

    It is beyond me John for you to say it is beyond you that everyone should have the same taste as you.

    I remember many years ago, David Bellamy came to our shores on a crusade against the turbines. And I must say that he was convincing in his argument. The upshot of Bellamy’s crusade was to be hounded out of his job at the BBC.

    I posted this link http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/scotland/wind-turbines-lifespan-far-shorter-than-believed-study-suggests-1.62945 in ‘Are Wind farms noisy?

    Even before I read the above, I started questioning what happens when these turbines expire and what safeguards are in place so that the taxpayer doesn’t have to pick up the tab for removing them and that it was inferior technology for its task and subsidized as well.

  2. darrel nay

    Adding to the thread of the week that was:

    Jesse Ventura recently won a jury trial on media deformation. This week 33 MSM outlets, including the New York Times, have submitted to the appeal a request to the courts to OK them deliberately defaming people and profiting from it – shameless.

    Cheers

  3. John Lord

    Thanks Bob. Of course I was expressing a personal point of view on the relevance of design in art. Perhaps we see the beauty of design and its relationship to art differently. Nowhere did I suggest that others should have the same opinion as me.

  4. stephentardrew

    Good summary as usual John. I am still disappointed with Labor and would like to see the back of Shorten. They are continuing to appear L-NP light and the Greens are simply trying to marginalise them. When will progressives learn division is poison.

    Deal with differences later the prime goal should be to remove Abbott and Co. Lack of bipartisan approach by the Greens and Labor is leaving progressives with a bad taste in their mouths. They are both equally culpable.

    Labor needs to have confidence it can win the economic debate hands down and use it to move to a more ethical approach to refugees. They continually let Abbot set the agenda. To remain credible to progressives Labor must move to the left on some social policies or continue in the shadow of the L-NP which just ends up marginalising progressives.

    It takes courage to ignore focus groups and stand in the face of cruelty and immorality yet it is a risk any true progressive would take without hesitation and this is Labor’s Achilles heal.

    Not standing for moral goods is the complete antitheses of Labor’s necessary role inn politics.

    Great leaders take the public with them while mediocre leaders continually compromise.

    I know it is easy to be critical however to be effective Labor must make a stand on ethical grounds.

  5. bobrafto

    As an installation in one section it would fit the criteria you mention, but doing millions of copies it becomes a blot on the canvas that someone will have to remove in due course.

    I have held this view for over 10 years well before TA.

  6. Roswell

    All very similar to my thoughts, John, but you have a better way of putting them into words.

  7. James Fitzgerald

    Oh Mr Bobrafta, surely you have brought to the public’s attention the same arguments about coal-fired generating equipment? Can we assume that there are safeguards in place to avoid taxpayer funded coal turbine replacement? Of course, no one really needs a diploma of fine arts to identify the asthetic impact of a series of holes in ground that used to be prime dairy and thoroughbred country, with wash plants, conveyers and rail lines to power stations which belch smoke and steam over considerable areas of land? No, of course not. Coal and, I assume, coal mines are good for humanity because the provision of electric power to 300million households in India will immediately move those people into the middle class from thousands of years of what is now called poverty.
    Dear, dear, dear Mr BobRafta, surely you realise that any noise around wind generators is more than likely the noise of the actual wind blowing past the listeners’ ears?
    Oh, and my sarcasm is very much intended to highlight the fact that your closed-minded opinion should probably exclude you from publicly expressing it.

  8. bobrafto

    Oh Mr James Fitzgerald,your not even in cooee of a put down artist. And I even appreciate a good put down even if it’s on me.

    Now your problem is with coal as it is with everyone on this planet.

    The world is full of comprises and why shouldn’t turbines be regulated like any other industry especially by locating them away from human habitation. Any other reason not to do so is pure greed in the name of clean energy.

  9. John Lord

    Bob is looking for a Climate Change debate. They always start the same way.

  10. bobrafto

    They always start the same way

    Really? John

    It’s ok, but who was the precursor to whom starts the same way?

    You’re not in my league when it comes to cringe worthy statements but you have come close with your opening statement.

    I am not qualified to have a debate on turbines, all I do is state my position, which is I don’t like them but if we have to have them and it’s a big country put them away from habitation.

    If anyone has an issue with that, it’s their problem not mine.

  11. Garth

    Thanks John – as always a great read and summary of the previous 7 days. I always enjoy your insights.
    BTW … I think the show is called ‘The Killing Season’ (not ‘The Killing Fields’ which was a movie about that great place where we are spending $40M + to palm off 4 desperate people to a country that can’t care for their own).

  12. donwreford

    The problem I have on Johns thoughts of the apathy of the Australian is a analysis portrayed on TV on popular shows whereby several people are talking simultaneously that becomes noise and impossible to understand what is being said, this jovial spirit is a way of the viewer not having any understanding because they do not want to understand what they want is to drown all sensibility to not understanding but to be immersed in the crowd of joviality to submerge in to a sort of stupidity to lull themselves to being together but to lose their sense of their own isolation.
    What to me is a wonder is how these people emerged to become a human? is it of little wonder that so many of us can no longer believe in God? to produce so many that are stupid? and yet can do things such as produce babies and drive cars? the ability to do some things and yet as a paradox be so trivial?

  13. James Fitzgerald

    bobrafta, Wind turbines are located at places with reliable wind. Your location argument about them is the same as saying we should locate coal mines, maybe in the central desert, so that the visual pollution doesn’t offend too many. Even if coal is located primarily in the Sydney, Bowen and Galilee Basins?
    Again, brief application of general cognition.

  14. John Kelly

    I was once naive enough to think that Abbott’s opposition to climate change was that, consistent with his religious beliefs, he could not accept that his God would allow us to destroy the planet. Pope Francis has blown that theory out of the water. Now, I think Abbott is just a pathetic recalcitrant.

  15. Florence nee Fedup

    It appears that Shorten’s first wife has been summons to appear TURC to discussed what shareholdings he had when they married. This is rubbished, as they can subpoena all Shorten’s financial records. Wonder if the have been trapping his phone, as they have obviously done with witnesses appearing lately?

  16. Florence nee Fedup

    He has problems with the Pope not only with climate change but with treatment of refugees and with the poor.

  17. Florence nee Fedup

    The good senator has been good enough to tell us, it is not about noise. It is about the sound wind makes over the blades, that the human ear cannot hear. We must get it right.

    There is, I believe already regulations as to distance turbines have to be from homes. Differs in different states. The good senator wants that extended to 15 kilometres?

    Now, it is no good standing under the turbine to judge the noise. It appears there is no harm in that. One has to be further away to suffer any harm.

    Now please do not laugh at what I have written. This is a honest recap of what has been said at senate select hearings. Best comedy show in town.

    Now I wonder, if those ceiling fans that many sit under, in their own homes create Infra sound, placing ones health at risk. Same goes for living beside a busy toad, where the wind glides over the bodies of cars.

  18. bobrafto

    James Fitzgerald
    You seem to have an issue with my position and you throw up inane comparisons between coal and wind.

    I didn’t want a debate about this as I would have dived in boots and all in the ‘Are wind mills noisy’, I was merely pointing out to John about the structure of his statement and not in an eloquent way as Rosswell did above and then I went into a rant, however, your rant was a bit snarky. tsk! tsk!

    There are lots of me out there, grammar Nazi’s and the like who constantly piss off bloggers by bringing to their attention the errors of their text but I have been very quiet in this respect for quite a few months until today.

    If you want a piss and wind debate, I suggest you visit the r windmills noisy blog.

    Cheers

  19. John Lord

    I think you need a manager. You have been handling yourself to long.

  20. diannaart

    Another week in which Abbott & Co continue their self interest.

    Another little history in which we chronicle just how elitist our politicians (both major parties) really are. Something to be aired when the next election draws near.

  21. darrel nay

    I have been impressed with Sarah Hansen-Young.

    She seems to exemplify what it means to be a woman/human.

    Peace

  22. bobrafto

    I think you need a manager. You have been handling yourself to long.

    Thanks for the advice John, where can I get one of those managers and do they give pensioner discounts?

    As an aspiring artist myself, I was under the impression that I wasn’t handling myself enough to burst thru those inner sanctums of art galleries that in order to gain access you have to have your hand welded on it.

  23. darrel nay

    Nice bobrafto’

    You’ll probably get a million , or so, from this latest M$110 liberal art/slush fund. It would be great to see some of your art (for sale) on the AIMN website – assuming it’s for public consumption (ie. maybe nothing welded).

    Cheers

  24. DanDark

    I have an original Bobrafto, that proudly hangs on my Lounge room wall, Bob very graciously sent me the file for free after I commented on how much I liked this/his piece of art, so I could print it and frame it, its poster size
    my kids that have seen it are 22 19 and 9 and love it as much as I do, Bobs art appeals to a range of ages and my print proves this kids are the best critics 🙂
    My oldest daughter is also an accomplished freelance artist and I took one of her paintings down to put Bobs up above the Mantel piece because it is a fine piece of art and I just love it, it brings an aura into my lounge that wasn’t there before…. Thanks Bob 🙂

  25. darrel nay

    I know AIMN ‘officials’ are busy but I’d love to see AIMN sell some merchandise and set up a place to show/sell commenter’s work. The funds could help with the website and adopt a good cause (maybe a women’s refuge).

    Cheers

  26. The AIM Network

    That’s a good idea, darrel. The former has been in the back of our mind.

    As for the latter, we agree that some of the comments here are absolute gems but how do we find them? We’d need to comb through over 100,000 comments to select the best ones. That certainly would keep us busy.

  27. darrel nay

    Could AIM Network sell art? We really need to see independent websites thrive.

    Cheers

  28. bobrafto

    it brings an aura into my lounge that wasn’t there before…. Thanks Bob

    And thank you too for your unexpected and very kind words.

    Darrel
    I have created an art book while having 2 hands on it, when only the best will do with the most expensive archival papers in a leather gold embossed real expensive leather case. It’s a bit of a brag, but it’s more of a brag when I say I managed to do this on the pension and why I’m bringing this to your attention is that it also contains in the Acknowledgement page the naming and shaming of Lib Campbell Newman and a host of others. My ultimate backhander! So I don’t think the libs will look too kindly at me with a defamatory publication which they can’t do anything about.

    The book hasn’t been launched yet and therefore it’s not for sale, thanks for asking.

  29. The AIM Network

    First we’d need to pay to get it printed. Therein lies a problem.

  30. darrel nay

    My thoughts are more of an online art gallery where artists/writers are invited to post their works and AIMN Network would take a fair commission – seems like a win/win if its feasible.

    Cheers

    ps I’m not an artist

  31. The AIM Network

    That’s a good thought too, darrel. When we get a bit more money perhaps we could have the site redesigned to cater for it. We also have to see how our new server holds up over the next couple of weeks.

    Nothing’s simple anymore. 🙁

  32. Kyran

    As always, the weak that was with this government will be the same next weak, and the weak thereafter. Thank you, Garth, about the title of the Killing Season, as opposed to the Killing Fields. Ironically, Fran Kelly on RN did the same thing (can’t remember which day). One was a killing of lives, the other merely about careers. Thank you, Mr Lord, weakly! Take care

  33. Harkobus

    I would purchase and wear a theAimn Tshirt. How about a design competition?

  34. The AIM Network

    Great idea!

  35. Annie B

    Great summaries there John. … thank you.

    The ‘ wind farm commissioner ‘ is a major con. …. As far as inane ideas put out by the so-called ‘leader’ of this country, that has to climb to near the top of the 200++ gaffes, lies and avoidances he has produced to date.

    We should all just ignore the silly blighter. ! ….. Don’t think he’d enjoy that too much 😉

  36. corvus boreus

    Thanks for another succinct weekly wrap, Mr John Lord.

    A crap week from my perspective.

    On the local level, it saw me involved in consultations on means to rectify criminal vandalism of a large swathe of mature coastal vegetation in a public nature reserve, with many old Banskias (and other species) slain. This act will cause major erosion and weed infestation, and mean that public money will probably be poured into an area that previously required little input.
    The fact that there will be no sanctions on the obvious culprits means any rectifying work is likely to be undone by repeat vandalism.
    More nature buggered, more resource squandered. (Sigh)

    In the broader, the PM continued to spearhead a bandwagon of ideological opposition to the generation of power by renewable means, using his patented tactic of appointing an ideological cronies into specially created positions, proposing a ‘Wind Commissioner’ to ‘investigate’ alleged mechanical/economic inefficiencies, aesthetic detriments (windmills, like trees, spoil views) and supposed health concerns (barking dog syndrome) regarding wind-generated power.
    The same parameters and levels of concern are not to be applied to fossil-fuel sourced energy.
    If Bill Shorten made any clear response to this proposal, it was muted. (sigh)

    On the personal level, I had re-affirmation that, despite conscious efforts to avoid hyperbole and absolutisms, deploy accurate language and clearly define a separation between citation of evidentially backed conclusions and my personal opinions, false assumptions and conclusions will continue to be drawn. (sigh/shrug)

    Yesterday’s injurious axe blow to the side of my left knee seemed an apt summation of the week that was.

    On the bright side, On Frey’s-day I swam near a whale. It did no belly-flops, but blew a few entertaining spit-jets.

  37. lawrencewinder

    Turbines have an estimated life span of 25 years but can go much longer. Their full replacement cost is around 1/3 of original cost and will decrease over time. Most turbines only need partial replacement of parts, not full replacement. The noise levels have reduced to the present 35db with improved design. Does anyone wonder why farm animals living under them are not in paroxysms of pain with the alleged “vibrations”, “Infra-sound” etc, etc that they “endure” 24/7?

  38. Annie B

    Thanks lawrence winder for that valuable information. … It gets me started on one of my favourite subjects.

    https://www.alpinehearingprotection.com/wiki/5-sound-levels-in-decibels/

    half way down this link page, is a decibel ‘chart’ showing the type of noise in layman’s terms, associated with particular levels. …. The turbines at 35 db, rate between a whisper and living room or quiet classroom – to the human ear.

    Hardly something that is going to impact on anybody. I doubt even dogs would have any problems, their range is far wider than ours, which is why they appear to hear better than we can. … they might actually receive the sound louder than we would, but probably not by much. … I would love to know if anyone has observed the reactions of dogs to wind turbines … I am sure farmers would have.

    Science / technology is constantly experimenting and improving on wind turbines to improve their functionality and self regulation. The aim ( apparently ) is to never have to use fossil fuels again, in the maintenance of them over a period of time. Fossil fuel use is required in the making of them in the first place, but that is initial – not continual.

    I have two notices in my car rear passenger windows – against the use of fossil fuels, and all for solar and wind. e.g. ” I love a sun-powered country “

  39. Harquebus

    Since we’re still on about wind turbines.

    “Manufacturing wind turbines is a resource-intensive process. A typical wind turbine contains more than 8,000 different components, many of which are made from steel, cast iron, and concrete.
    One such component are magnets made from neodymium and dysprosium, rare earth minerals mined almost exclusively in China, which controls 95 percent of the world’s supply of rare earth minerals.”
    “There’s not one step of the rare earth mining process that is not disastrous for the environment.”

    http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/big-winds-dirty-little-secret-rare-earth-minerals/

    @corvus boreus
    The vandals are only following the examples set by our nation’s leaders and big business.
    Hope you recover from your injury soon.

  40. corvus boreus

    Harquebus,
    My knee is a superficial injury (surface gash with surrounding bruising). Nothing serious.
    The 50 metre long new wound on our coastline will take much longer to heal.
    Sincere thanks for your honestly expressed concerns.

  41. Annie B

    Corvus B

    … I am soooo envious that you got to swim with / near whales. …. How I wish. … Needless to say, they are such utterly beautiful creatures and you are privileged to have done this – to say the least.

    Sorry to hear about your encounter with the sharp edge of the axe – and I hope your knee responds quickly to good bearing and health. …

    Take care. … 🙂

  42. corvus boreus

    Annie B,
    I definitely swam near rather than with the whale, which passed about 50-70m away from me as I took a lunch-break dip.
    A lass who was surfing nearby reckoned it was likely a humpback calf (it came within 25 metres of her).
    Definitely a keeper of a moment.

    Ps, The axe was blunt and the knee will heal quickly. Thank you for the kind thoughts and wishes.

  43. diannaart

    @corbus boreus

    Good to know that your injury was not too serious – now I can return to envying your life… in the most positive way of course! As in we must protect as much of our natural environments as possible.

    Cheers

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