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Kevin Rudd Must Resign

In order for the Labor Party to have any chance of limiting the Coalition to a single term in Government, Kevin Rudd must leave the Parliament as soon as possible.

Before I present an argument in support of that proposition, let me first say a few things about the situation as it stands.  In case you hadn’t noticed, because Home and Away is especially compelling just now, or something you just bought from IKEA is taking up far too much of your time, Labor just lost an election.  They did so, substantially, though by no means entirely, due to their own political ineptitude.  That is simultaneously a good and bad thing.  Bad in that there are forms of political folly that are just plain dumb and cannot be excused (whispered mutterings of discontent in the ears of a hostile media a case in point).  It’s good in that there are forms of political deftness that no honourable person would ever want to possess and express.  More on that later.  Labor leaked like a rusted-out colander.  You can’t do that and expect to maintain any political momentum and confidence.  If you cannot present a belief in your own unity and stability, you cannot expect it to be believed of you.

Labor made economic commitments, such as a return to surplus, they weren’t entitled to make, or should have made in a far more qualified and cautious manner.  A return to surplus was a reasonable enough goal, but to turn it into an actual time-framed commitment, one made ostensibly for purposes of political gain and leverage was pure folly.  Labor also allowed legitimate issues of class and sex to be taken out of their hands and placed instead in the hands of the opponent.  They failed to control the narrative.  You can’t hand your opponent and their multitude of mangy minions a bag of Bowies to throw at you and not expect to be subject to death by a thousand cuts.  You cannot depose sitting Prime Ministers – however much you feel your hand is being forced – and think this will not be self-inflicted political evisceration with a rusty butter knife.

In Opposition, the Coalition was unrelentingly, well, oppositional.  They stuck like garlic skin to a kitchen knife to a simplistic plan and formula.  It worked.  Apart from a few exceptional moments, Labor failed to respond.  They failed to communicate. They failed to be creative.  Edward De Bono would have been ashamed of them.  They could have utilized any number of methods to lift their voice above the Coalition’s conspiratorial cacophony.  They should have begun to utilise social and independent media environments the second it was clear that the mainstream media was against them.  Gillard, particularly, could have done a John Howard and have instituted regular Prime Ministerial addresses within which to communicate everything the Government was achieving.  Yes, in some quarters this would have been dismissed as government propaganda, but any message is better than no message at all – and certainly better than a consistently negative, redacted one.   Instead, the Gillard Government let things slip away, allowing a hostile Opposition and media to run rampant without meaningful challenge.  Let’s be clear about something: whoever is in charge of the political narrative is in charge of the political destiny.

The Labor Party in this country, despite its long history and what you would expect to be accompanying experience and wisdom, stands alone in its capacity for episodes of political artlessness.   Generally speaking, it doesn’t do “politics” well.  Or at least, it doesn’t do it as well as the Conservatives.  Now, that might sound on the face of it to be a bad thing, and in some respects it is, but not in all.  If we critically analyse what it means to be “good” at politics in a contemporary setting, and do so by candid and honest measures, it can hardly be said to be a virtuous thing.  I would much rather vote for a Party that was good at policy, but bad at politics, than the other way around.   Politics is dominantly about manipulation, exploitation and opportunism.  Lawyers aside, is there any profession on the planet that, in greater measure, employs both formal and informal logical fallacies in its daily rhetoric?  Is there any profession that does more to engender in the populace the egregious error of regarding an expression of passion as equivalent to an argument and opinion as equivalent to fact?  Whenever a politician speaks, something Latin always spews out.  Believe me when I say one of the worst things you can do is familiarise yourself with the litany of logical fallacies that humans employ because you’ll never be able to listen to a politician in the same way again.

But I hold that those of a Conservative bent evince these particular intellectual crimes and misdemeanours more often and more authentically.  This is part of why they do politics better than Labor, generally speaking.  It is my genuine impression and belief that one of the reasons Labor all too often seems clumsy and ineffective in the political sphere is that its representatives appear more intellectually and morally conflicted about engaging in such stratagems and speech.  Contrariwise, such things seem to roll off Conservative tongues like a second language they’ve been learning since birth.  The bottom line is that the Coalition won the election because they did the politics better.  They corralled their support better.  They ran with an “end justifies the means” philosophy and exploited the enormous cognitive dissonance that exists in the electorate to great effect.

So, what should our disposition now be with respect to the election result, when all the emotion, shock and disbelief have subsided?  Well, for the Conservatives, they will be pleased, and rightly so.  It’s always a nice feeling to come home to where you feel you belong.  But how confident should they really feel?  Conversely, how despondent should Labor feel?  The result was not a landslide or anything resembling it.  The Coalition does not have a result that would provide them with any confidence of a second term.  They are faced with a maze of electoral marginality.  There’s an old political adage that runs, “Oppositions do not get voted in, Governments get voted out.”  I personally don’t find that adage especially sound but it certainly applies to our current situation.  Tony Abbott will probably go down in history as the most unpopular political leader ever to attain the Prime Ministership.  The Coalition did not enter this campaign with a strong policy base.  It does not enter into Government with a strong policy base.  If one is to be candid about it, it’s a Government that doesn’t really have a lot going for it and one that was established by means both foul and superficial.  It will have to work hard and offer more if it wants to be seriously considered a two-term viability.

As for Labor, I feel there is every reason to be positive, especially if they are able to play it smarter and learn from the mistakes of the last few years.  Which brings me to the original purpose of this piece – to explain why Kevin Rudd must leave the Parliament for Labor to have any chance of a return to Government.  We know of Rudd’s sins – they have been chronicled by more literate and knowledgeable persons than I, so I won’t go over that territory again.  Suffice it to say Rudd is significantly to blame for putting Labor where it is.  He is now an albatross swinging silently around Labor’s neck, his efforts to mitigate the electoral damage for Labor notwithstanding.  There is nothing he can say or do, whether honestly or not, to reduce the danger he represents to Labor at this time.  No future Labor leader can operate with so-called “clean air” with Rudd sitting on the Backbench.  If he never opens his mouth for the rest of this Parliament, it won’t matter.  We are faced with a media that not only purports to report news but one that actively seeks to create it.   They will happily engineer a leadership issue if none authentically presents itself.

Here is the crux of it:  Rudd cannot be a meaningful representative for the constituents of Griffith without simultaneously being a corrosive force in Labor’s future.  When we speak of the “rusted-on” we must remember that rust isn’t necessarily a good thing.  Rudd is toxic.  Good representatives do not and cannot remain quiet, especially in Opposition.  They have to advocate forcefully and constantly for their constituency.  Rudd cannot be the sort of representative for the people of Griffith that he and they would like him to be without doing damage to the Labor Party.  The sincerity and/or purity of his actual desires and motives will be irrelevant to this.  He simply cannot have any profile lest he presents himself as a target for those will interpret his actions – or simply characterize them – as evidence that Rudd’s political ambitions are not dead.

As soon as the dust has settled on the “battle” for the party leadership and a quality candidate for Griffith is found, Kevin Rudd must resign.  Whilst I do not see this as a serious electoral risk to Labor I would venture to suggest that the peril to Labor that Kevin Rudd represents is far greater and far more immediate than the risk of losing the seat of Griffith.   Should Rudd be unwilling to resign for the sake of the Party, Labor ought to seriously consider the perhaps extraordinary step of disendorsing him from the seat (once that quality candidate has been found).   Hopefully, the former Prime Minister will see the wisdom and necessity of his resignation and take the appropriate action, and in doing so appreciate that he in no small way the architect of his own political demise.  He has the opportunity to bow out in as dignified a manner as Julia Gillard, thereby ensuring his contributions to the Labor Party and to Australia will be acknowledged and remembered without the soap opera antics.

Now, some might say that an announcement by him of an intention to retire from politics at the end of this term would be sufficient.  However, statements by Kevin Rudd on his political motives or intentions no longer have any semblance of credibility.  His resignation is the only option.

Labor cannot successfully navigate the path of the next few years if they have to carry the burden of the baggage of the last few years.  For this reason, I hope those whose duty it is to elect a new leader will consider who presents the lightest burden possible in this regard.  I respectfully submit that Bill Shorten is not that person.

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  1. J.Fraser

    Ever so grateful that someone else has the courage and fortitude to write this article.

    Swan’s eyes tear up when asked why he kept defending a surplus … and that is more than enough for this commentator not to ask the question ever again.

    A few days ago I wrote that the loss of Griffith (if that is the price that the ALP must pay) in the short term, will be worth it.

  2. rosemary

    I have written that he should go several times in my posts in social media, he has to or we never move forward, if it means a loss of his seat so be it. he cannot sit on the back bench threatening to become the white knight again, there will be no stability and no credibility for the party. if he believed he was the one why did he not stay on as leader.

  3. patsy

    NO….make kevin rudd foreigner minister and give Julie bishop the rottweiller a run for her money…he is one person she could not compete with true ?

  4. jane

    Kevin Rudd should certainly announce that he will retire from politics at the next election and a new candidate for Griffith should be selected in plenty of time to become well known and viewed without suspicion by the electorate.

    However, I don’t know that handing in his resignation now would be regarded as anything other than more cynical “leadershit” style backstabbing of Griffith’s favourite son.

    I think that by the time the next election rolls around, the Liars will have had ample time to shoot themselves in both feet and that Rudd should resign as the Liars fall from grace has irresistible momentum.

    Campbell Newman’s corruption will be something even the dumbest barracker will find hard to defend and I fully expect more hubris and arrogance from Liesalot and the mob of Howard Has Beens on the government front bench.

    And very little in the way of ANY policy, let alone constructive policy, from them in the short or long term. And even the msm won’t be able to ignore the paucity of talent, ideas or policy for the entire term of the government.

  5. Phillip A Mayer

    Labor would be nothing without Rudd! Gilard was the one who wrecked the party, and don’t forget it! And they won’t be getting my vote with either of the duds they’ve put up as leader!

  6. Kath

    Oh gods yes. Please leave, Mr. Rudd, and take your baggage with you.

  7. J.Fraser

    @Phillip a Myer

    Lovely way to start your post.

    Got any Links to back up your assertions ?

    Hopefully neither of “the duds’ will be the Leader of the ALP at the next election.

  8. winstonclose

    Firstly, it was us Rudd’s followers who insisted he came back to leadership after the betrayal of Julia Gillard and Associates. So, no he should not resign. Are you asking Bill Andrew Scissor’s hands Shorten to resign too?

  9. nathan

    It the constant hating of Rudd and trashing of him that has destroyed Labor doesn’t the writer remember Gillard and the factional few arbitrarily sacking their boss quite unfairly. I remember Gillards astounding record on communication within many electorates, she would stand with her hands pushing outwards and then patronize most with her false, robotic diatribes. Rudd may have got things wrong Gillard certainly got one incredible thing wrong,, that is she and a few heavyweights took the vote away from the people and into the hands of the labor party thought would keep the power. Something the Labor party underestimated outstandingly. I for one had my vote taken from underneath me and then i was left with Gillard who i just could not bare. We were the forgotten ones i’m certain there is millions of us, yet you sit her and write shit about Rudd being the cancer and forget where the cancer started within the Labor movement. You can not just take peoples vote away without consequences fact!!!!!! Blame who you like it wont change her and the factional few contempt of the people.

  10. nathan

    He saved a total wipeout well known fact!

  11. John Lord

    Thoughtfully realistic piece Ben. He still has a lot to offer society but not in the political arena.

  12. Jo

    Most ridiculous article ever. If you want Labour to lose the next election yes. How much should KRudd have to endure? What a waste of space this is – better off used on what Abbott and his Fascist party are doing to Australia’s democracy. Get off your bum and write something constructive. Idiot!

  13. leonie

    Nathan @ 3.48pm Under the westminster system which we follow, voters do not elect a person they elect a party. You may think you voted for Rudd but under the current system you were casting a vote for Labor. With this in mind, no-one took the “peoples vote away” at all. It has always been so in all parties that the party caucus decides who fronts the team as pm or leader of the opposition. They can also take it away whenever they like….the liberal/national coalition is no different.
    What’s different now is the ability of Labor party members to finally have their say. I do hope that Albanese wins the current contest.

  14. J.Fraser

    @Nathan

    Actually a majority of Cabinet let it be known publicly that they had had enough of Rudd.

    Much the same thing happened when Keating moved on Hawke.

    What you are saying is that Rudd set fire to the house and then hosed it down and now everyone should applaud him rather than throw him out.

    Not logical.

  15. leonie

    PS Nathan, I should have made it clearer that the changes Rudd initiated should go a long way to ensure it isn’t as easy to get rid of a leader as it used to be. Nevertheless, it can still be done in exigent circumstances.

  16. bilkoBilko

    I agree Rudd must go I have said it since the election loss I would have been happier if he had gone in 2010, Julia may have lost, but I am sure she would have run a blinder of a campaign not the lack lustre one by, I have lost my mojo KR.

    If Albo is selected, he should remove him asap, he has enough mongrel in him to hold Abbort to account and also see Rudd off. He does not owe him anything any more that account is well and truly closed and I cannot see Bill Shorten doing either.

    One more seat gone does not matter as KR just lost us 20 this time and at least a dozen for us back in 2010, he has helped the libs enough.

    As some ancient British Monarch once said who will rid me of this meddlesome priest (parliamentarian in our case).

  17. diannaart

    Really enjoyed reading your observations regarding the lack of political art of Labor, their own hand in their fall and the resignation of Rudd.

    Rudd could’ve taken the high road & graceful exit via his concession speech on 7/9. Such humility is not for the likes of those who cannot learn from history. So here he sits, a festering malignancy of unrelieved ambition. I agree with Dan, a suitable candidate for Griffith be found, for the sake of the people of Griffith and the Labor Party.

    I also hold reservations about Shorten, which started months back when he was interviewed regarding his opinions on Julia Gillard’s position, that he agreed with her even though he did not know what she had said. This was my ‘Gorden Grech’ moment, a loss of credibility from which there is no return. That he swapped sides to reinstall Rudd, was no surprise after that lapse.

    Dan your essay needs/must be compulsory reading for the Labor caucus.

  18. rosemary

    Agree Leonie and J Fraser, you vote in a party and the party chooses the leader. His parliamentary colleagues voted him out as they had every right to do so because he wanted to be a one man band. He white anted the whole government and then came riding back in on his white horse as a saviour. He had an appalling campaign trying to push what he did when he was PM and a couple of terrible thought bubbles instead of the great policies of the JG Labor Minority Government. The media had a field day with him as he was the source of the destablement of the government and they knew it. If he thought he was the best leader why did he not stay there, why did he run and hide after the election and leave us leaderless and vulnerable, unable to hold Abbott to task until this is all sorted out by the new rules he put in place trying to protect himself from being ousted again. We should have a leader now banging on about all these cuts and bad policies being put in place but no we have to wait weeks for it to be sorted out. And for all those members about to say we have a right to vote for the leader then stand for government yourself and you can. It should be up to those that are in the parliamentary party to decide who is best to lead them as a team.
    While he is there the media will continue to speculate about him coming back again and apparently he has already said he doesnt rule out a third time is possible. Again if he thinks he is the best leader then why did he run when he was beaten at the election.

  19. Sympneology

    Why blame Rudd for Labor’s problems? Has everyone forgotten how the Murdoch media reviled Rudd when he led the fight to oust Howard, and how they loved him when he in turn was ousted by the Shorten/Gillard faction, and how they hated him again when Labor regained their senses too late and reinstated him as leader? If he had remained as leader Labor could have won a majority in the lower house in 2010 and with Gillard as deputy could have achieved the same record legislative program and won again in 2013. The party should never have let itself be hoodwinked by Murdoch into believing that Rudd was the cause of their problems when Murdoch was.

  20. Jennifer Fitzgerald

    No one blamed Keating when he overthrew Hawke and led the Government to defeat.
    The misogyny is still loud and clear. Gillard went with grace and dignity as did Hawke and Gorton and many others who previously lost the office of leader. Rudd refused to accept the decision of his colleagues in 2010 and has wrecked the party as his revenge.Rudd must be forced to resign by disendorsing him as a Labor member as soon as possible.
    And Rudd did not save any Labor seats–women deserted the Labor Party in droves after the sacking of our first female Prime Minister.
    The Party will have to try very hard to get women to vote ALP again–and women are more than 50% of the electorate.

  21. Michael LaFave

    “As for Labor, I feel there is every reason to be positive, especially if they are able to play it smarter and learn from the mistakes of the last few years.”

    It is exasperating to see such an intelligent person like this writer propound something as egregiously divisive to the party and insignificant to Labor’s prospects of winning the next election as whether Mr. Rudd resigns or not.

    The only action that Labor could undertake to have any chance in 3 years is for our next leader go immediately to Rupert Murdoch’s HQ (as Mr. Abbott did after becoming LO) to kiss His Majesty’s boots and promise to legislate open slather for him to dominate every TV and tabloid market in Australia along with a guarantee to strangle the delivery of entertainment in Australia via the Internet.

    Labor can ignore Fairfax because its journos are already terrified of upsetting King Rupert and Queen Gina, and the ABC will continue to slavishly copycat all the manure Murdoch’s media minions can shovel as well as to invite his propagandists to hog ABC programs like Insiders and The Drum.

    Obviously, neither Mr. Albanese nor Mr. Shorten nor their inevitable successor would have the stomach for emulating Tony Blair’s groveling to King Rupert, so that leaves Labor with the forlorn hope that PM Abbott will make such a colossal blunder that the entire mainstream media would be unable to rescue that political arse he nearly sold in 2010 to get the Independents to make him our PM.

  22. William Ward

    KRudd has been accused of every sin possible by all sections of the media, from within Labor and by Liberals and I say accused, I have not seen any evidence to support white-anting of JGillard only accusations, claims, but nothing that can be substantiated, KRudd has been made responsible for JGillards failure to sell her policy initatives to the public, for her downward slide in the polls, for leaks from her inner sanctum and the list goes on.

    What is obvious is support for him in the electorate of Griffith helped retain that seat for Labor, the two camps in Labor at that time also extended into the general population splitting support within Labor rank and file fuelled by Murdochs media and a negativistic opposition that was able to capitalise……and we can see it continuing, here, in this article as the postmortems drag on, comments left by one camp or the other, I suggest that the only way the party can heal is for its supporters to move on, let it go, get over it, unify.

    The author of this article is still stirring the pot probably a closet Liberal.

    While this schism exists in the Labor rank and file reunification of its supporter base seems a long way off, sacrificing KRudd and his seat will not be beneficial for the Labor party, although the Liberals would be happy if that was the outcome.

    If anyone actually has proof of the sins committed by KRudd as a backbencher, produce it, or I suggest you see a counsellor about your doubts and insecurities, they maybe a figment of your imagination created by insidious attacks by a bias media. “Remember a lie told enough times becomes accepted as truth”

  23. J.Fraser

    @Michael LaFave

    You’re pretty much on the right track.

    But the optimistic part is that assuredly Abbott will fall flat on his face.

    Hockey will make a mess of the economy.

    Bishop will most likely embroil Australia in 68 wars …. all on the same day.

    Pyne will have a mass walkout out of Teachers …. and students !

    Unfortunately for Australians and Australia there will be much pain.

    Now lets look a bit closer at the ALP and see who is Prime Ministerial material …. because he/she has yet to show their hand.

  24. J.Fraser

    @William Ward

    The unalterable fact that Rudd’s popularity with the Australian community only lasted 6 weeks this time around should have told you something by now.

  25. richo

    In fact Keating ousted Hawke and led Labor to victory in the unwinnable election.

  26. Alison White

    Rudd won his seat and therefore should stay on until the next election – that’s his obligation to the people who elected him. The ALP needs to stop with the head rolling and work together – there’s a big eared errrrr aahhhh monger to deal with….

  27. nathan

    @ Jo and Leonie, you can bang on and on about it being a party sure a party for ideas, but the question of leadership is at the front of all political pastimes, if this is not the case than who was Gough or Hawke or Keating? You cannot bypass the fact that great political parties were lead by great leaders, kevin was not given his proper course. The other comment that i read time and time again is that this is the way a leadership coo is done is excused by how it has been done in the past, i’m not a strong believer of past behaviour excusing current behaviour it was apparent that the electorate was dismayed at the labor party because they dismissed Gillard as a backstabbing lier, that truth hurts, there is no denying she did not appeal to a wide section of the electorate whether that be politically or personally and that there goes to the point of your argument of leadership she was not able to be a good leader. Kevin Rudd’s alleged and now well reported behaviour behind the scenes, is inexcusable too but again it is logical based on the events taken against him, You cant possibly tell me that when Kevin was taken down you didn’t feel sorry for him or at least understand the implications for the party across the electorate or how this would destroy the party. He was demonized for taking on the miners right? They party was terrified that he took a hard line on big business because the party has lurched to right particularly The Gillard camp. hence why Gillard “the so called negotiator” took away the futures of all Australians when she caved in on the mining tax that was dumb. She was unfortunately a puppet for the factions and they destroyed her by pulling her strings from behind closed doors again this explains her inability to be herself and command her leadership. Rudd may have played a part in undermining her but she has herself to blame for contradicting a lot of her own beliefs. When we seen her true self ,i give you the misogyny speech, we seen the fight and determination in her unfortunately we seen very very little of that, she will not be remembered as a great leader i’m fairly sure of that. It could have been great for her i really do believe that as the same for Kevin why did they self destruct my guess is power????????

  28. Liam Manley

    I think it is about time we recognized the positive things Kevin Rudd and Julia Gilliard have done for our nation (despite the domestic feuds) rather than continue this constant slander.

    I agree Rudd has had his day and realistically the best thing is probably for him to leave gracefully from politics as to start a fresh unified Labour party, but the mere fact that there is so much debate within this forum is a good indication that we need a new start and a new face for the Labour party,someone with a strong sense of unity.

    (My vote would be Albanese). How can we expect to have a unified Labour party to win back government if we as the people harbour and display bias and resentment towards the people that represent our greater interests.

    We need to give a little recognition for the unsung good work and intentions of the government just gone, irrespective of the last election and their domestic and media demise, realise how good we have had it, stop arguing for the sake of arguing and now move on with Unity to oust this destructive right wing conservative moron for the good of the Australian people.

  29. J.Fraser

    Rudd was not “demonized for taking on the miners” he was demonized for caving in to them after his Caucus pleaded with him not too.

    Rudd was demonized for climate change “the greatest moral, economic and social challenge of our time” and then did a backflip.

    I have never felt any sympathy for Rudd and his 68 hour resignation speech bored the known universe.

    The Honourable Julia Gillard will go down in history as not only the first female Prime Minister of Australia, but also as one of its best Prime Ministers.

  30. nathan

    Oh dear J Fraser you must be living in some kind of parallel world you don’t know a puppet when you see one,
    I feel for you truly

  31. xiaoecho

    Reading this very thread is argument enough for getting Rudd out of parliament and preferably the party. The man is divisive and while he remains the ALP will be unable to move on.

  32. Leone Park

    Agree Alison White. Which is why Albanese should be the new leader. I think he’s the one who can bring the party together and stop all the sniping that’s being done. The country needs a party that will be for all Australians not just the selected few who are in the elitist clique that Abbott runs.

  33. Fed up

    I have seen very few if any that hate Rudd. Yes, they do not like him. Believe he betrayed the party and undermined Gillard, but not hate.

    Yet when the opponents of Gillard and supporters of Rudd, cannot speak about Gillard without hate oozing out of all the pores of the their body.

    Why the hate?

    There are very few that do not acknowledge Rudd’s skill in bringing the country through the CFC.

    Many feel, that after that. Rudd seemed to have hit a brick wall, and to say it kindly, was not functioning.

    This led to the caucus losing confidence in Rudd, and did what was really their duty, replaced him.

    Yes, the whole Labor caucus replaced Rudd with Gillard.

    I wonder, it it was another of the blokes, would nave things been different.

    At no time, which was wrong in my opinion, did they put the boot into Rudd. In fact they told the public little. Rudd was left with his character intact, and also given the second highest job in the land.

    Another mistake, as the thanks that Rudd gave, was t bring down the Labor government. In the process, leading to many food men and women leaving parliament early.

    Watching Rudd since then, one feels that maybe the caucus at that time made the right decision.

    Where they went wrong, was not taking the next step, to ensure that Rudd could not cause further harm.

    Yes Rudd done much he should be given credit for. His behavior after losing the PM;s role, led his to trashing his own and the reputation of the government.

    No Ms Gillard should not be hatred. She did not earn hate. She kept a minority government together, while legislating many worthwhile bills. Many that others have been trying to do for decades. It was not her government that lost it’s way. It was many of the people in that party, whose behaviour be only ne described as disgraceful.

  34. Fed up

    Yes, and Gillard had the grace to leave parliament, when she realized she could be no longer of use. She realised, that the party could only go area, when both of them left.

    It was Gillard that called the spill. Rudd could not have run, unless she did this. He promised that he would not challenge, even if others tried to cause a spill He read Gillard well. He knew she would not hang on,if she came to the conclusion, that by staying, she was taking the party down with her.

    There would have been no second coming of Rudd, if Gillard stood her ground.

  35. Fed up

    Yes, there might have been, and there might not have been a petition. If Rudd kept to his word, not to challenge or be roped in, he would not have been able to run.

    The only way, he could run, was by Gillard calling the spill.

  36. nathan

    Gillard jumped for her own ambition remember “there’s more chance of me being full forward for the bulldogs than taking the Labor leadership” I think the workings of Gillard and her Right wing cronies destroyed the party without proper consultation to Rudd or proper understanding of how that would be perceived by the voting public. It was a shameful moment in Labor party politics her stats showed that time and time again,

  37. Fed up

    Liam Manley, spot on. Much good was done, in spite of everything.

    Now time to move on.

  38. Fed up

    I do feel sorry for Rudd. He was a great man, I suspect come apart, Maybe tried to hard and did not trust enough, Who knows,

    What seems to be a fact, he reach a stage where he was not functioning., Happens to the best of us. I believe that it also happened to Hawke. Most leaders hang on to long, beyond their use by date.

  39. Fed up

    Jonathan, I believe that Gillard had ambition. I do not believe she was ready at the time, it came her way. I believe she felt she had no choice.

    There are a couple within Labor, feeling the same way. I would like either to run now, but they feel they are not ready, and this is not the time.

    What is wrong with ambition. Bad, it appears if it belongs to a woman.

  40. diannaart

    It is sad, he seemed such a breath of fresh air after Howard.

    I agree. However, he remains a liability and will continue to be so, unless he steps down.

  41. Dan Rowden

    Alison,

    It’s true Labor needs to stop with the head rolling, but that can’t happen when the chief head rollers are still in the background, casting their shadow.

  42. richo

    I agree that Rudd should go. I also agree that Julia did the right thing.
    For a long while I felt she had knifed Rudd, like I think many of the general public did and do. I believe Rudd did a very good job while in charge and I believe he should have been given more opportunity to work through his difficulties, perhaps some different kinds of ingterventions with him may have helped, who knows.

    I believe Julia did an extremely good job as PM but unfortunately (whether or not she did or didn’t have an influential part of the taking down of Rudd) she was tainted and was unable to gather any momentum with the public. She was rightly or wrongly seen as the knife lady.

    I believe they were both excellent people of great intellect and political aptitude, together they were a formidible team.

    I do not hate either of them. I do think Rudd should never have been deposed. I don’t know how much of the stuff of Rudd’s destablisation campaign is true and how much is no but I do understand that he would do this, it would be a natural response to being deposed by colleagues.

    I had a sense of things being right with the world again when Rudd was back, not because I thought Julia had done badly but because I believed Kevin should never have been booted like he was.

  43. Dan Rowden

    Richo,

    I’m sympathetic, but with reservations. I really, really wanted Rudd to be better than he was. He looked the goods in 2007. he really did. But when it came to the Real Politik, he simply failed. He failed with the ETS, admittedly in the face of an Opposition that destroyed Malcolm Turnbull’s political career over that very issue, but he failed; he failed miserably and unforgivably with the Mining Tax and lost the support and confidence of the Caucus. I’m sure all sorts of advice was flowing his way in that period. I’m equally sure his ego was such that he ignored every bit of it. He has that one thing in common with Tony Abbott – an apparent inability to compromise and negotiate. Gillard understood that legislative stepping stones are better than quicksand. I think Labor did panic a bit with Rudd, but I suspect they had reason to do so.

  44. Anon E Mouse

    Rudd should stay until he is ready. I believe he has been manipulated by the Gillard camp and the media has hounded him mercilessly.
    When first elected, Rudd mentioned that he was not part of the factions and that they may try to undermine him. How true.
    When Rudd dropped the ETS, it was at Gillard’s insistence. Gillard, and no doubt Swan, talked him out of going to a double dissolution when Abbott and the Greens blocked it. Bob Brown chucked a hissy fit and voted with the Libs – remember. No wonder the insulation scheme had problems as Arbib and Garrett, who were in charge of it, were so busy plotting against Rudd.
    The main thing Rudd did wrong is that he actually trusted Gillard – and possibly Swan.
    When Rudd gave the Apology to Indigenous Australians, many in his party and the public service hated him for it, but he was man enough to make Australia proud with his historic apology.
    After that I have heard that many public servants undermined him, as did some of his colleagues.
    The media hounded him, making up stories that were simply untrue and unverifiable – like the supposed rant they said Rudd did in front of a heap of Journos at a bar. It did not happen, purely because it is unbelievable in the days of smart phones there wasn’t even a voice recording or photo.
    When he was foreign minister, it was Gillard and the media that talked up the supposed challenge – like MacBeth, Gillard’s conscience troubled her perhaps.

    Finally, Rudd should not be hounded to go as he has delivered the most momentous and vital changes to the Labor party rules. I suspect that was one of the deals to get him to be PM in an unwinnable election when the power brokers wanted to save at least some of the party. Why else would the power brokers agree to giving up their power.

    Rudd should stay, and I recommend that rather than follow popular spin and media bs, people should think more critically at the facts.
    Rudd will go down as a great Labor hero, bringing democracy to the party – a reformer of the party.

    Ps. it is interesting to see the Libs are having great issues resisting the democratisation of their party.

  45. Ricky Pann

    Kevin will leave politics but the last thing we need at the moment is a by-election. Kevin is all over.

  46. Bacchus

    Anon E Mouse aka Joel Fitzgibbon?

  47. William Ward

    Yes, the damage done by JGillard during her term could not be undone in six weeks by KRudd or any other candidate Labor may have put forward.

    The personality driven politics that dogged Labor for last six years was wholly supported by the electorate voting for these personalities to take Govt, any reservation you or anyone else has after the fact are personal issues created by youselves having been drawn into this type of politicing, blaming KRudd or JGillard is avoiding the issue of our own fingerprints being all over what has transpired, we don’t need a sacrificial lamb, we need to forgive ourselves for the part we all played, without our involvement none of this sorry saga would have occured…..”Labor supporters got it wrong”.

    Time to look forward, KRudd has instigated a fairer democratic system for choosing a new party leader and you can now have a say in who that leader will be.
    The Party needs to evolve as the majority of its support in the electorate comes from the masses not unions or its membership.
    KRudd is not going anywhere at this time, destabilisation of Labor is more likely to come from our inability to move on.

  48. Dan Rowden

    Joe Hockey should reign for his mendacity and every swing-voting Australian who fell for it should resign from their right to vote.

  49. Terry2

    I have no doubt that Rudd will go and, if Alexander Downer can get a job with the UN, I’m sure that Rudd will soon be offered something in the international arena.
    Rudd has a lot to offer but he is obviously going to be acutely aware that an early by-election could be fatal for the Labor party so he will probably consider leaving his resignation until the next election; the choice is his.

  50. Dan Rowden

    Actually, Terry, I think it’s a choice that is out of Rudd’s hands. If he elects to stay till the next election he will almost certainly have consigned Labor to another term in Opposition. Both Gillard and Rudd have managed to divide not only a nation, but more importantly the Labor support base itself. Rightly or wrongly, wherever genuine blame may lie, that’s the reality. One of them has taken the appropriate action. It is necessary for the other to do likewise.

  51. William Ward

    I noted Shortens comments on #Insiders that KRudd being a senior member of govt will make a valuable contribution to fighting the Abbott govt if he chooses to stay on, animosity seem to be mainly from disaffected pundits outside the elected opposition only…….

  52. Bob Evans

    Yeah, totally disagree with the Rudd bashing as i have stated here before. He saved them in 2007, where was Julia? And Gillard caused the instability. He has no power now and is not going to white ant anyone. If anyone needs to go it’s Shorten.

  53. J.Fraser

    The current spokesperson for the Opposition is Bowen …. the little Rudd acolyte who used to run down the back alleys of parliament delivering Rudds poisonous missives.

    Does anyone remember what a dud Bowen was as a Minister in the Gillard government ?

    Here’s a clue :

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Uw5bZm8Z4Xc/UkQMIJDjKWI/AAAAAAAAASc/_9xxE9y6EqM/s1600/bibiyibcqaaxftu.jpg

    Bowen had no answers, no ideas and absolutely no clue.

    Morrison the Minister for Racism and Slavery wiped the floor with him.

    But Bowen supports Rudd and vice versa.

  54. Dan Rowden

    William,

    What Shorten says in that regard is pretty meaningless. He is deep in concession mode. If he honestly believes Rudd should stay then he is misreading the politics and is unfit to be the Labor leader. Reading the politics is something Labor has to much better than they did over the last 6 years. Seriously, was anything learnt from recent history?

  55. William Ward

    Dan,

    Blood letting by spectators and armchair experts is just that, misreading the politics is possible but not likely, we in the electorate voted them in to govt over last 6 years, we got it wrong, have we learnt anything from it, Labor has turned a corner and become hopefully more democratic, its not about KRudd, its about the Labor movement and thats alot more important and bigger than KRudd was and will be in the future, I’ve moved on, will you, only be able to move on after KRudd has left parliament. That really is the point

  56. nathan

    @ J . Fraser you are being divisive insulting and you have played the gender card in you comments above.
    This division along with the article goes at the very heart of Labor disunity, Rudd had his faults a lot of people have acknowledge this, same as Gillard,they both contributed too you need to acknowledge that, and move on you are only perpetuating these issues if you cant move on from your personal vendetta’s against party persons, i have moved on from Rudd and Gillard its time to focus on the new please.

  57. Dan Rowden

    William,

    I am not a spectator. No-one is merely a spectator in politics. Are you suggesting, by the way, that Labor supporters should have voted for someone else over the last 6 years? You seem to be implying that, or perhaps I’m merely drawing a false inference. And for me the point is “moving on” cannot happen with Rudd sitting on the backbench, anymore than it happened when he was deposed as leader and sat on the backbench. Labor must sort this effectively and with finality to be a quality Opposition, imnsho.

  58. Adam Smith

    Your proposition is fundamentally flawed, undemocratic and damaging to the rights and obligations of an Australian citizen, on just two fundamental points alone, fact, 1. Kevin Rudd is an Australian born male qualified to nominate as a candidate (subject to rules) for all tiers of governance in Australia. 2. Kevin Rudd MP is Constitutionally required, and he must take his seat in the Australian Parliament House of Representatives, to represent the people in the electorate in which he has been correctly elected.

    Anything else is secondary, and I’m of the opinion, that your call for his resignation, may in fact be a curious-notion, when considering a persons rights and responsibilities, on Australian Constitutional grounds.

  59. Dan Rowden

    Adam,

    You seem not to have read beyond the title of the article. Not a thing you just said is relevant to it. My proposition was “In order for the Labor Party to have any chance of limiting the Coalition to a single term in Government, Kevin Rudd must leave the Parliament as soon as possible.” Your post does not speak to it.

  60. J.Fraser

    @Nathan

    Who have you moved onto ?

  61. Fed up

    Can someone explain to me, what Rudd has to offer by staying around?

  62. Fed up

    Will there be anything for Morrison to announce at his briefing tomorrow. Who will be listening.

    We are stil getting pictures of the PM fleeing yesterday.

    So the psychologist think Abbott is clever.

    Yes, what see is all there is.

    Yes, i did reinforce the perception, that Abbott runs, whenever a tough issue arises.

    I suspect, that was not the spin, the ABC psychologist was trying to put on Abbott’s actions since September the seventh.

    All we get, is what we see. A man, once again running.

  63. J.Fraser

    @Fed up

    Plenty of nervous glances within the ALP.

    Plenty of smear from Murdoch’s idiot children (Daily Terrorgraph , Courier Mail etc etc).

    Plenty of laughs in parliament from the “Slick” Abbott mob.

    Plenty of embarrassment for the ALP.

    Rudd has so much to offer the political scene in Australia …. naturally the rest of the world will be looking on and shaking their heads.

  64. Fed up

    We should not forget, this man spent most of his career, especially the last three years, dishing it out.

  65. Fed up

    By the way, that psychologist, in my opinion,. made a fool of himself.

  66. Fed up

    What has he got to offer.

    Yes, maybe he has, but not in this Opposition.

    No matter his worth, his presence will allow the media and government, to keep the last six years alive.

    It is time for him to move on, yes at his own time, to find new fields to conquerer.

    He needs to follow the example of Gillard.

  67. nathan

    @ J Fraser you offer nothing to the argument you are childishly character assassinating people , something Mr Abbott was very very good at it will make you no friends at all, the issue of who to move onto probably lies in the many years ahead, the Labor party needs to look to young smart people i believe in its future, it must change and we must all heal from the events that have happened to simply say Kevin will go and all else will be fine doesn’t make sense. Can you see how bitter you sound? Go and vote for the greens if you dont care or add some positive comment rather than your erroneous jibes.

  68. Fed up

    What the point. Gillard always fronted the media. Sometimes you confused me, with what you say.

    Why does one believe it is in the best interest of Rudd to stay?

    Why is it in the best interest of Labor.

  69. J.Fraser

    @Nathan

    Look up inane.

  70. nurses1968

    One thing I do find about Labor supporters is they have short memories.
    Under Julia Gillard Labor was according to all the polls which proved exceptionally correct, heading for a bloodbath.
    Kevin Rudd managed to reverse that trend and put Labor in a position where it is conceivable that they could win the next election.
    I supported Julia, but public perception was she was bad news.
    If Rudd had not returned as Leader, and increased the public support of Labor, they may well be meeting in a phone box right now.
    To read statements like “The current spokesperson for the Opposition is Bowen …. the little Rudd acolyte who used to run down the back alleys of parliament delivering Rudds poisonous missives.” from alleged Labor supporters is concerning.
    Kevin Rudd was elected by the voters of Griffiths.
    I’m sure he will continue to represent them with dignity., and in all likelihood announce his resignation well before the next election so a new candidate can emerge.
    Kevin Rudd did a lot for this country.
    He was a victim of Rupert Murdoch who is the real enemy.
    It would be nice if real Labor supporters took on the real enemy.
    For all the criticism of Rudd, not one person here, or a politician who has resigned or lost produced one ounce of the alleged backstabbing by Rudd.
    Until someone can give solid proof it is all fairy stories.
    Get the evidence, produce it.
    To do less is no better than MSM propaganda.

  71. nathan

    @ Nurses 1968 we all hoped for Julia i for one championed her to be the best first PM fact is she wasn’t she was robotic, contradictory, boring and a terrible communicator of policy, fact is she and her collegues called the spill on Rudd i dont see how thats Rudds fault, im happy to discuss with anyone Gillards achievements.

  72. nurses1968

    J.Fraser
    you made the statement
    “Actually a majority of Cabinet let it be known publicly that they had had enough of Rudd”.
    Where can I read about that ?
    have you any proof, or a figment of your imagination ?

  73. nathan

    first female PM that is!

  74. richo

    I don’t see any benefit of Rudd Bashing or Gillard Bashing. I have never seen any real evidence that Rudd was causing the instability. I think ANabel Crabb made a good point on the night of the Rudd comeback about the lazy media stirring it up and using polls as an excuse for a story.

    Having said that Julia has done the right thing and resigned and I believe Kevin should now do the same.

  75. Fed up

    No matter how many try to spin Gillard, it was the majority, in fact most of caucus that wanted Rudd gone.

    Even the numbers that voted in the last spill, would not have ensured Rudd being returned under the new rules, he introduced,

    Gillard would have survived.

    Still that is now history, which many will interpret to back up their own arguments, but cannot be changed,

    The question still is, what has Rudd to offer now?
    .

  76. Fed up

    The only belief I can come to, is that those writing here. attacking Gillard and supporting Rudd, believe he can and will make a comeback.

  77. nathan

    @really Julia survived i think kevin had a big following within the membership?

  78. Terry2

    Well, Turnbull was able to accept a humiliating defeat to an inferior opponent and he has eaten humble pie in an extremely difficult portfolio (some would say a poisoned chalice) and don’t let anybody tell you that he has given up on his ambition to lead the Liberals; he’s just waiting for the current Emperor to fully display his sparse wardrobe.

    The difference with Rudd is, in my opinion, that he has given up leadership ambitions and will happily sit on the back bench of the opposition until an opportunity presents itself and then leave politics. His CV will show that he was a former Prime Minister of Australia, not just once but on two occasions.

  79. Fed up

    “I don’t see any benefit of Rudd Bashing or Gillard Bashing.”

    The only benefit is, to ensure Labor is kept out of office for many more terms. The only benefit is for Abbott to remain in power, far past his used by date.

    Which by the way, has already been reached.

  80. Fed up

    Terry2, Rudd has already reached that position. I am not fussed about when he leaves. What I am fussed about, what he intends to do.

    It is up to Rudd, to clear the air.

  81. J.Fraser

    @nurses1968

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4598894.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor_Party_leadership_spill,_2010

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2010/06/how-the-coup-against-kevin-rudd-unfolded/

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/may/1367364737/erik-jensen/kevin-rudd-s-unrelenting-campaign-regain-power

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/kill_kevin_the_untold_story_of_coup_cZPfd14BXwPurp6V65gM4N

    http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12432

    Take your choice from the above list, right wing , left wing and Wikipedia.

  82. J.Fraser

    @Nathan

    Look up inane again.

  83. nathan

    J. Fraser im sorry i have to say this but you could easily go and take yourself into the woods and blow you head off and no-one would care. Im sorry But DULLARD DIDNT CUT IT LOVE

  84. Fed up

    What I need from Rudd, is a clear announcement, as to why he is hanging around.

    What does he hope to achieve.

    After the turmoil of the last six years, the is essential.

  85. nurses1968

    @JFraser.
    I am not a member of the Labor party but am considering joining
    My understanding is that the membership gets a say in the majority of pre-selections, and with the new reforms, a greater say in the overall direction of the party.
    Statements like some you have made make the membership appear to be dills.
    you commented “After Rudd has gone and his supporters have moved to the backbenchers … a la Swan … then the ALP and I will be able to “move on”.

    The current spokesperson for the Opposition is Bowen …. the little Rudd acolyte who used to run down the back alleys of parliament delivering Rudds poisonous missives.

    Does anyone remember what a dud Bowen was as a Minister in the Gillard government ?
    Those backbenchers are party members endorsed by their branches.
    If you are so concerned, are you making you voice heard as a party member ?
    Do you expect others to do the hard yards while you take pot shots.
    As you ask of others for reference links, you provided me with mainly opinion pieces.
    hardly evidence.
    It is easy to be critical, join a party of your choice and help make a change

  86. richo

    @nurses, J.Fraser’s stock in trade appears in the end to be one of being Mr Superior Suppository of all wisdom as to what the way forward for the ALP is. I suspect a real involvement in the party is not likely.

  87. Fed up

    Still have not seen anyone put forwarded, what Rudd hopes to achieve by staying,

  88. nurses1968

    Fed Up.
    I assume Rudd, to use his words would be to represent the good burghers of Griffith and serve the people and the party to which he was democratically elected.
    I wish Kevin would step down, but he has every right to be there and do what he is elected to do

  89. William Ward

    Dan,

    This is your article, your postmortem and ‘you’ seem unable to move on and, ‘you’, at this time are only a spectator to the events unfolding within Labor, this your emotional catharsis.

    Voting for a party and PM, getting them elected and then being disappointed by the outcome in hindsight stuns me that the many people who feel the way you do are unable to take responsibility for where you’ve all placed your vote.

    If KRudd does not stand down and continues in politics as elected representative for Griffith and stands for re-election again next term…means you will be unable to move on, means what, you’ll not give Labor your vote, it sounds a little neurotic, are you going payoff your local Labor candidate by not voting for them because of KRudd.

    Labor does not have to do anything about KRudd his electorate has already done that, why don’t you respect their choice to have him as their elected representative, do you live in Griffith, if not, its none of your business, if you do then its your vote give it to someone else in protest. Thats your right…

  90. Anon E Mouse

    J.Fraser, go back and check your history. Gillard and Swan rolled over for the miners after the miners launched an extensive campaign against him. Gillard and Swan brokered the wussy deal that means we get sweet FA out of the mining tax. Gillard and Swan were busy undermining Rudd and used the miners’ attack as a way of getting rid of Rudd. It was unsavoury and nasty. Gillard and Swan then colluded with big miners to stitch up a dodgy mining tax.

    Bacchus I am not Joel Fitzgibbon. I am merely a critical observer.

    Nurses, I think Rudd has deserved the right to choose if he stays or when he goes. Rudd has been the favourite kicking boy for the media, they can’t leave him alone, and if they can’t find a story they will make it up with no proof whatsoever.

    I think that we should all be mindful that there are a few players in this – and I don’t mean Rudd. The right-winged Labor power brokers who installed Gillard are not about the party, but all about their power. Remember where Arbib went after dropping out of the senate, and the links between Obeid, of Labor power fame, and Libs who were seeking power. It is not all about political ideology in the power struggle, but about personal gain. Murdoch and Gina Reinhardt have not sunk truck-loads of money into getting Abbott elected without the expectation of personal gain – they are not concerned about ordinary folk’s wellbeing. Even minor player Clive Palmer worked hard (that is spent heaps) to ensure the Lib vote captured the disenchanted votes for the Liberal party, even though Clive is a bit of a loose cannon he is still Lib/Nat aligned.

    Going back to the power brokers in the Labor party, can you really imagine that they willingly undermined their power base by these latest moves to democratise the party – especially when a well placed judas can negotiate with some very wealthy players.

    Now Rudd has finally managed to wrest the Labor party control back from the hands of a few and delivered it back to grass-roots members. The process will no doubt need some fine tuning, but without the likes of Rudd the good work of democratising the party will be undone. After a few more such internal elections and the bedding down of the democratic changes it will be even more difficult to undo. Labor needs Rudd to stay, because it needs the changes that Rudd brokered as a condition of his second stint as PM.

  91. William Ward

    J Fraser,

    If I’m not mistaken Swanney was a JGillard supporter, he is the elected member for my area and is an arse wipe, I didn’t vote for him this time for that reason, I don’t vote for arse wipes, I left that area blank, didn’t stop him from being elected though. The ALP has moved on, you, like Dan have not and may not be able to, you have become caught up with personalising your attack on Labors failure to hold on to govt, had KRudd pull off the impossible and got the party re-elected, how much noise would you be making now, you will be suffering depression for the next 3 years I take it and thats your right in the meantime the ALP will be getting on with business just like KRudd who was in NY at UN attending meetings representing the ALP.

  92. J.Fraser

    @William Ward

    More than proud to have done election work for Wayne Swan M.P.(in fact I am sitting here laughing that he is your M.P.).

    Australia would not be the envy of the world if it wasn’t for former Treasurer Wayne Swan.

    Perhaps you should go back to the toilet you came from.

  93. nurses1968

    J Fraser
    you cannot contradict the fact that as Anon E Mouse said
    “Gillard and Swan rolled over for the miners after the miners launched an extensive campaign against him. Gillard and Swan brokered the wussy deal that means we get sweet FA out of the mining tax. Gillard and Swan were busy undermining Rudd and used the miners’ attack as a way of getting rid of Rudd”

    Why is it that you have to revert to personal attack and abuse whenever you are corrected, or questioned.?
    Your response to @William Ward and others was hardly warranted.

  94. J.Fraser

    @nurses1968

    Learn to read.

  95. nurses1968

    @JFraser Why is it that you have to revert to personal attack and abuse whenever you are corrected, or questioned.?

  96. doctorrob54

    What was Rudd doing rubbing up and down at breakfast with Julia Bishop before the election,made me sick,any one would have thought they were best friends.Rudd Abbott and Murdoch are the reason the best PM we ever had was pushed aside,and he still lost,speculation that JG would have lost by more is just that,speculation,I say BS.Rudd should have accepted the fact that caucus had enough of him as leader and his staff found him unbearable to work for.He was voted out by two thirds of the party,JG was asked to lead and rightfully so,she was deputy after all,she did not undermine or plan his downfall.Then what did he do,instead of putting his energy behind the new structure he constantly,from the back bench
    full of bile and vindictiveness undermined JG and in turn the Labor party.Even when given his second chance,during the campaign he never mentioned the positive things Labor accomplished in a hung parliament.Labor would be better of with Rudd gone,bit hard to give him a foreign posting while not in government.

  97. J.Fraser

    @doctorrob54

    Try to imagine a debate between Julia Gillard and Abbott.

    Abbott couldn’t even handle Nicola Roxon.

  98. Dan Rowden

    For the record and in the interests of full disclosure: I reside in Wayne Swan’s electorate, have met him on several occasions and voted for him in the last election (and every other). His role in saving Australia from the GFC is, and probably ever will be, understated. Such is the price of the office of Treasurer.

  99. nathan

    @J fraser We certainly don’t need the puerile anger, you’ve brought the the conversation, it seems you may need some Post Gillard counselling, you can always join Abbott’s team. Mostly people here are trying to de construct and makes sense of what happened, you seem caught up in the very kind of behaviour that you are accusing Rudd of shame, id saddens me when people bring out the worst in others that you have accomplished i know someone else like that hummmm errrr that twerp Abbott.

  100. Bob Evans

    Still have not seen anyone put forwarded, what Rudd hopes to achieve by staying

    What does any back bencher hope to achieve by staying? They have relatively no say, so why stay? And why the hell is Shorten there?

    Swan was also one of the original plotters and had it not been for Rudd retaking the prime minister-ship, he would likely be on his arse. Probably why he is so quiet now. They all should be quiet, because if Gillard was in, the majority of them would have been out.

  101. richo

    It’s all very well to speculate but the reality is Rudd should go. I was a Rudd supporter and I thought he got shafted, I also thought Gillard did a very good job in an extremely difficult circumstance. That said, whatever the reeality Rudd should go for the good of the party. The question is when, that is the question I can’t answer, as I believe the people of Griffith deserver to be represented by him who they voted in.

  102. J.Fraser

    @nathan

    Thanks for that advice.

    What do you think I should do with this :

    “nathan
    September 29, 2013 • 1:44 pm
    J. Fraser im sorry i have to say this but you could easily go and take yourself into the woods and blow you head off and no-one would care. Im sorry But DULLARD DIDNT CUT IT LOVE”

    ?

  103. Bob Evans

    Yeah, probably a bit over the top. Not the part about Gillard though.

  104. nathan

    @ J fraser sorry love you haven’t gone and blown you head off yet ? what are you waiting for? As a said dear you bring the worst out in people when you attack them, yes you bought the worst out in me ill apologise for that sincerely, its worthless to the debate if you are attacking people personally, you have attacked several people, you have used evidence for your dislike of Rudd with opinion pieces no substance, don’t be so defensive love ok!

  105. Dan Rowden

    The comment section for this piece has been, I believe, more than just interesting but rather indicative of my very point – that the Gillard/Rudd history has been so divisive, not just for the general community, but for the ranks of Labor support itself, that it’s necessary for the players to leave the stage so the next act can get on with playing their part. This is not a time for encores and curtain calls.

  106. Angie

    I think Abbott brought an awful lot of hate & nastiness to this election & you only have to visit the hate facebook pages to see how spiteful Abbott followers are & same with Nathan – the language & name calling is appalling!

    As for Kevin Rudd…he did his best! You don’t think backstabbing happens in the Liberal Party – think again & watch it all unfold. Kevin, Wayne & Julia did a wonderful job under very difficult circumstances to pass all that legislation & protect the every day man & woman from losing their jobs & homes throughout the GFC & lowered the tax free threshold – how ungrateful were voters to back Abbott!

    The role of Prime Minister is a thankless task no matter who it’s been! If you speak slowly, use simple wording & get the right media support behind you & enormous donations, then the election is yours! Most voters are very simple people too busy to follow the ins and outs of politics & rely on papers & TV for their opinion who to vote for. If you don’t have the Murdoch power behind you then there’s no chance!

  107. eleanawi

    Considering that Labor did not win the election, I do think Kevin Rudd must resign or be booted out. He is a serial leaker and liar. He said that he would NOT stand again for Prime Ministership. He did. Therefore he is untrustworthy and likely to do what he has done all over again. The likes of Simon Crean will never learn.

    If Labor had got into government and was HUNG again, it would have been a different story. They could not afford a bi-election. When Rudd won in 2007, (I did not vote for him) I thought he was doing a good job. But unfortunately power went to his head and his frustration with staff and Front Benchers was palpable. When polls started to fall in Labor’s favour, Cabinet panicked.

    Though I do not like Rudd, I still to this day maintain he should have been allowed to remain PM until an election was lost. He was elected by the people and the people wanted him as PM. They did not elect Julia Gillard. This is the public perception. Of course the public do NOT elect Prime Ministers and Caucus decided to replace Rudd with his deputy to safe guard the next election. Things would have worked out much better in the long run if Labor had lost 2010 election and replaced Kevin with Julia then. She would have been marvellous in Opposition and would have won 2013 with a landslide in my opinion. People would have got past her voice and would be used to it by then. The LNP would be proved incompetent and her governing in contrast would be seen as very competent. Her reign as PM would likely have lasted several terms.

    Dan Rowden never mentioned the great work that Julia Gillard did under extremely difficult circumstances. Neither did he mention the more than 500 pieces of legislation she got passed during a Hung Parliament. He never mentioned her cool and composed resilience to all the insults, slander and libellous wrath dished out by MSM. He never mentioned her gracious resignation speech to a near empty chamber. I can think of hundreds of times I admired Julia Gillard. I did not vote for her in 2010, but I certainly would have in 2013, but I wasn’t given that chance. I know, I can’t vote for a Prime Minister. But I can vote for a party of whom whoever wins will become PM. It’s the same thing isn’t it? My chance to back Julia Gillard was taken from me and I resent that. Did anyone in Caucus imagine that some votes would increase and some would decrease. My daughter and I were going to vote Labor, just to keep Julia Gillard as PM. Neither of us voted Labor the last 2 elections. We voted Greens

  108. diannaart

    eleanawi

    I think we have been living parallel lives.

    I did not vote for Rudd in 2007 – but was relieved to see the end of the Howard era and despite misgivings about KRudd (religion/rather pompous style) thought he started well.

    Labor handled the ousting of Rudd appallingly, I do know that something had to be done, Rudd needed reminding he was part of a team and not a lone warrior. His black flipping on climate change and so on was alarming. So too the rumours from Canberra…

    Therefore, I was both heartened and dismayed when Julia Gillard become our first female PM. Dismayed at the circumstances and at the change from lively and witty to wooden and rhetorical was the change in Gillard’s public persona. Nevertheless, she achieved a lot under circumstances that would’ve wilted (like how I sued ‘wilted’ justifiably?) most other people. Daily denigration by a hostile, biased MSM and attacked from within by Rudd and his supporters, Julia Gillard become stronger, calmer, more forceful, by the time of 2013 I was ready to vote for her party in the lower house. Like you, I never got that chance and watched as Rudd, predictably, started well and then ran off the rails.

    Like you I voted for the Greens as I have for many years now and will continue to do so, until or if Labor ever finds is heart again.

  109. eleanawi

    nurses1968, thank you for that link. Very interesting if true. I don’t normally see eye to eye with Peter Hartcher, but this held true for me, perhaps because I wanted the information to be true. However your last comment re Mungo MacCallum, I couldn’t see the point of. I read his opinion piece in the Byron Echo and I often disagree with him. The Tibetan monk joke is stupid.

    diannaart. The Greens don’t always gel with my views either. I only vote for them when I can’t stand the 2 Party Preferred. However they will do more good for the planet than either Labor or LNP. Thanks for your reply.

  110. diannaart

    Again, I agree – we need the Greens even though, as you say they do not get everything right (what single party can?) – why the environment, upon which we depend for simply everything, is not considered as the basis upon which to plan economies, technology, food, employment, industry and so on is beyond me. Neither the LNP nor Labor have managed to accept that we need to adapt as conditions change.

  111. richo

    I was a member of the Greens for a year after the 2004 election. I became disheartened at their all or nothing attitude.
    Progress comes in steps not all at once.
    I voted for Rudd in 2007 and I was apalled at the way he was deposed but I voted for Jula anyway in 2010 I was dismayed at the way she was elevated to the job but i was also proud to have a female PM and I longed for her to be a good one. i believe she was a good PM and achieved much unfortunately the story of that did not get out. And so here we are …

  112. diannaart

    Richo

    You hit the proverbial nail,

    “Progress comes in steps not all at once.”

  113. Bob Evans

    Spot on Richo.

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