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Grok2 Nukes Peter Dutton

By Steve Davies  

My question of 15 December to Grok2:

“Does Australia need nuclear power, solar or wind power given the fact that the Australian Liberal Party produces so much fermentable bullshit?”

I framed my question the way I did given the nonsense we are seeing from the Liberal Party. Beforehand I had been researching the issues extensively. Including, of course, the media statements and posts on X by various Liberal Party politicians.

What was very clear is that for a lot of people, technical and non-technical, what is being asserted by the Liberal Party does not stack up. As some technical and trades people put it to me – BULLSHIT.

That, in a nutshell led me to frame my question the way I did. I wanted to see what Grok2 said and how it said it. In other words to, as it were, sort the wheat from the chaff.

Interestingly, Grok2 made the following statement in its conclusion:

“However, the debate is influenced significantly by political narratives, particularly from the Liberal Party, which adds layers of complexity to an already intricate issue.”

It strikes me that this “adding layers of complexity” sums up how Liberal Party is operating. Basically, it’s the classic tactic of sowing confusion, attracting attention and herding people down rabbit holes.

Doing that over something as serious as energy supply to every household in Australia is highly questionable to say the least.

My professional take away? Grok2 does indeed sort the wheat from the chaff. The main thing to do is do your homework and come up with a question that captures the core issue and sentiments.

People could do the same in relation to any statements made by politicians and officials.

 

Now read Grok2’s Answer

The question of whether Australia should pursue nuclear power, solar, or wind power involves considering various technical, economic, environmental, and political factors. Here’s a breakdown of the key points:

 

Solar and Wind Power

Cost Efficiency: According to multiple sources like the CSIRO’s GenCost report, solar and wind power are currently the most cost-effective options for electricity generation in Australia when backed by storage solutions like batteries and pumped hydro. These sources have seen significant reductions in cost, making them competitive or even cheaper than traditional fossil fuels.

Environmental Impact: Solar and wind are renewable and produce no direct CO2 emissions, aligning with Australia’s commitment to reducing greenhouse gas emissions. They also require less water than nuclear power, which is a significant consideration in Australia’s often drought-prone regions.

Public and Political Support: There is broad support for expanding renewable energy, as seen in various policies promoting solar and wind. This is despite some resistance in certain communities due to concerns over land use and visual impacts.

Grid Integration: The challenge with solar and wind is their intermittency, which necessitates investment in storage technologies or other forms of dispatchable power to ensure grid stability. However, with advancements in battery technology and grid management, these issues are being addressed.

 

Nuclear Power

Cost and Time: Building nuclear power plants is significantly more expensive and time-consuming than deploying solar or wind facilities. Estimates suggest that nuclear power in Australia could cost between $116 billion to $600 billion for a small percentage of the grid’s energy needs, with operational start dates well beyond the immediate timelines for decarbonization.

Environmental and Safety Concerns: Nuclear power doesn’t emit CO2 during operation but comes with substantial upfront emissions from construction and fuel processing. There are also concerns about nuclear waste management and potential safety issues, which have historically led to public opposition in Australia.

Political Debate: The Liberal Party’s advocacy for nuclear power has been criticized for being more about political strategy than practical energy policy. There’s a noted ideological shift from free-market principles to government-led energy projects, which has led to skepticism about the feasibility and motives behind the push for nuclear.

Commercial Viability: Major energy companies and investors have expressed doubts about the commercial viability of nuclear in Australia’s current energy market, primarily due to the high costs and long construction periods.

 

Current Sentiment and Policy

Posts on X (formerly Twitter) and various articles reflect a divide. Some users and analysts argue for a balanced mix including nuclear, citing stability and reduced emissions, whereas others emphasize the proven track record and lower costs of renewables.

The Liberal Party’s stance has been controversial, with some seeing it as a distraction from more immediate, viable renewable solutions, while others within the party and its supporters view it as a necessary step for energy security and emissions reduction.

In conclusion, while nuclear power has its advocates, the consensus from both technical analyses and public discourse leans heavily towards solar and wind power due to their economic, environmental, and practical advantages in the Australian context. However, the debate is influenced significantly by political narratives, particularly from the Liberal Party, which adds layers of complexity to an already intricate issue. Ultimately, Australia’s energy policy should be driven by a comprehensive assessment of all these factors, aiming for a balanced, sustainable, and economically viable energy mix.

 

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  1. Bert

    Layers of complexity….. obfuscation or smoke and mirrors, ultimately to confuse and allow a fall back position of ‘trust me’.

    The same as the claim that the LNP better understands the economy and is far, far more responsible money managers than that working class, uneducated Labor bunch, again, ‘trust me’, why? Because we are not irresponsible Labor.

  2. uncletimrob

    Let’s do a bit of a cost analysis here – no I’m not an analyst, just have a reasonable calculator in my head.

    One of the forecasts mentioned above is that nuclear will cost around $116 billion.

    The latest ABS data says that there are about 11 million private dwellings in Australia.

    Let’s assume for a moment that ALL of those dwellings are a)suitable for solar – eg location, orientation, owner desire etc., and b) don’t have any yet.

    I don’t need my trusty Casio to tell me that by dividing one by the other, each dwelling could get around $10,000 as a government funded subsidy, instead of a government subsidy for nuclear.

    Let’s live a little and the say that actual cost is $600 billion as mentioned above. That’s roughly 5X the $116 billion, so each dwelling could get a subsidy of $50,000. I’d hazard a guess that $50,000 per dwelling would take all of them off grid. I’d certainly accept a subsidy of $50,000 to go off grid.

    Yeah yeah, I’m not considering lots of factors, but hey that puts me at the same level as the LNP “nuclear analysis”

  3. Truth Teller

    Uncle, you have found the craftily hidden nail, and hit it on the head.

    I have been trying to point out the simple Maths that destroys this Lieberal Party bullshit for a few months, and compare it to the cost of localised electricity production.

    I am with you 100%. And, because of monetary sovereignty, it is a no-brainer to fund this type of community solar project over a multi year period as enough installers are trained via TAFE, or similar.

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