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Day to Day Politics: Shooting to kill, and other insanities.

Thursday 5 October

The possibility that you might be shot by a deranged individual is just a normal part of living in America. It has always been thus. In a few days time after a flurry of support for greater gun controls America will return to the indifference of its thinking and subconsciously await the horror of its next mass murder.

A few mad men will convince other like-minded men that this evil is committed by bad people with guns and can only be stopped by good people with guns. The folly of their thinking is not understood by the citizens of a country in moral decline.

The country, who itself elected a man of questionable sanity as its President, accepts his ‘mental illness’ as normal. When he repealed an Obama-era rule that would have prevented an estimated 75,000 people with mental disorders from buying guns many Trump supporters applauded his decision.

So a psychopath by the name of Stephen Paddock bought to an end the lives of many and destroyed, perhaps forever, the lives of those he injured.

The Las Vegas mass shooting is now “the worst in US history” but it is only the prelude to the next mass murder in the land of milk and honey.

“Prior to it, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, who suffered from several mental impairments including Asperger’s syndrome and obsessive compulsive disorder, shot his mother dead at home, and then went to the school where he fatally shot 20 students between six and seven years old, as well as six teachers. He then turned the gun on himself. The massacre was the deadliest school shooting in US history, leaving 28 dead in total, and prompted President Obama to call for more stringent background checks and a ban on certain kinds of semi-automatic assault weapons.”

He describes the Las Vegas murderer as “sick and demented.” Therefore, President Trump must now explain why he repealed Obama’s bill.

“We’re all still reeling right now … But I think what’s shocked me most is how familiar this all feels,” Trump said

Waleed Aly writing for Fairfax said:

“Over the last 50 years, per capita, the number of guns in America has doubled, from one for every two people, to one for every one person … There are now more than 300 million guns in the USA.”

Aly said US gun makers produced almost 11 million guns following the 2012 Sandy Hook school massacre.

“And so with Americans out today, buying more guns than they were yesterday, what’s the NRA got to say? Nothing… because that’s what they do every time. After 49 people were gunned down in the Orlando [nightclub shooting] in 2016, the last deadliest mass shooting in US history, they took two days to respond.

“And tomorrow, or the next day, they’ll be back at what they always do: lobbying politicians to make sure that absolutely nothing changes.

“That’s because the NRA spends more than $3 million every year just on lobbying politicians … Last year, the NRA reportedly spent $30.3 million dollars in support of Donald Trump.”

Even the sight of piles of blood covered dead 6 and 7 year olds riddled and disfigured with bullets of insane madness failed to move a public long ago indoctrinated into thinking that this was the price the nation had to pay for the right to bear arms in the land of the brave. If their children’s blood was the price to live in the greatest nation on earth then so be it. So long as the children were not their own.

The evil, mad man’s National Rifle Association made the astonishing revelation that to deprive a mentally disabled person of the right to buy semi automatic weapons infringed on their constitutional right to bear arms.

In allowing so many of their citizens to be murdered each year Americans display their indifference to the sanctity of life that their Jesus preached about with devout zealousness. Without a greater appreciation of the value and purpose of life the future of America looks dim.

Prayers will be uttered in solemn faith for the victims but will go unheard, as usual, by a God who says I gave you “free will” what more do you want.

I wonder if under the clause “the right to bear arms” the words “the right not to be shot” should be inserted.

President Trump with all the indignation of a man who is in denial of the possibility that such a calamitous event could happen on his watch can only pretend of the empathetic words that President Obama might use.

My thought for the day

“Have you ever spelt the word evil backwards?”.


  1. Gordon Comisari

    Trumps comment: “It’s a very, very sad day for me, personally.”
    That says it all really, doesn’t it? It is always about himself. What a jerk with undisguised, unmistakable psychopathic tendencies. The ‘leader of the free’ world? What a joke! What’s next with someone like him with his hands on the trigger of a nuclear arsenal? Be afraid, be very afraid!

  2. Jack Straw

    Yes John the right to live. The USA still seems to have to have mentality of those old cowboy movies we used to watch.

  3. stephengb2014

    Bought by the Oligarchs!

  4. Zathras

    When the Sandy Hook massacre resulted in allegations that it was a hoax orchestrated by the U.S. Government as part of an elaborate plot to promote stricter gun control laws, it said a lot about the mindset and the priorities of the gun-lovers.

    How monstrous must it have been for the mourning parents to hear claims that child actors were used and fake families created and to have their grief trampled on. Their children simply became collateral damage in the never-ending debate about their “right to bear arms”.

    It’s been suggested that until the Americans love their children more than their guns, things will not change. That change seems further away than ever.

  5. Glenn Barry

    Stephen Paddock was a good guy with a gun, no prior history, no criminal convictions, nothing…right up until the moment that he started to pull the trigger and kill 59 people.
    Then he became something else.
    But we can rest assured that he passed from this world with his second amendment rights intact, totally unviolated.
    And so it continues

  6. helvityni

    …and what their guns don’t kill, their sugar rich drinks and fattening foods will damage…

    What happened to the good old Aussie hamburger with beetroot and stuff, one could get from any Greek milk bar in the past…?

    How rude and insensitive was Mr Trump when visiting Puerto Rica yesterday!

    Here the talk is all about keeping us safe, what about keeping us healthy, housed, fed…and happy ?
    This government is doing the opposite, making us all FEARFUL…

  7. spiral

    So sad.Moral minnows believing their own propaganda.

  8. thebustopher

    I’ve done a few pro-gun control posts on Facebook the last day or so following Las Vegas. You get a lot of agreement, but there’s always at least one gun advocate who doesn’t understand what facts are.

    One guy from the USA who’d been a Facebook friend for seven years went off the deep end, said Australia bowed down to QEII, said he’d never listen to suggestions from us, and then plastered the feed with links to the final scene from the movie “Gallipoli” where they go over the top and are shot down in that horrifically gory scene.

    “This is what happens when you don’t have enough firepower”, he said. I had to block him…

    You cannot talk to them rationally. Fortunately they’re in the minority in Australia, but in the USA they are a potent political force that the senators and congressman ignore at their electoral peril.

    I guess these massacres will continue ad infinitum. Stay out of the States is my advice.

    PS: David Leyonhjelm has been remarkably quiet on this one…

  9. Jack

    If it didn’t change after Sandy Hook, it won’t change for a long while.
    We can moan and groan all we like, but gun culture is US culture.
    Just like other cultures in other countries it takes a long time for habits to change
    Japanese and whales, women driving cars in Saudi Arabia,….

  10. jim

    The oligarchs now have many safe bunkers all around the world with jets on standby 24/7 all built and paid for by our taxes they have bunkers under Antarctica warm air- condictioned bunkers no doubt well stocked with the very best of food and drinks.
    What are they thinking? nuclear bombs ?.

  11. Frank Smith

    The NRA will swing into action, buy off more Senators and Congressmen, and nothing will change.

    The “right to bear arms” was not in the original American Constitution – it was inserted later. That is why it is called the Second Amendment. So get rid of it!

  12. wam

    The right of arms, in the second amendment 1791, was to sanction killing humans to protect life and property which quickly became the right to slaughter American Indians.

    Culminating in the Wounded Knee massacre which, despite the media and ch9, is by far the worst mass shooting in American history with estimates of 250 to 300 American men, women and children shot.

    Indeed the act of killing non-white Americans is still a source of cultural unrest with ‘black lives matter’ and ‘kneeling’ hot topics.

    The clincher. for me, in demonstrating that killing men women and children, without morality, is deep in the American psyche, can be found in Bud Dajo. A slaughter that was praised by the POTUS.

    But there are many living memory examples of rape and murder in the pacific sector of WW2 including firing on life boats.

    Whilst in europe, laconia, canicatti and biscari massacres are examples of American societal indifference.

    The No Gun Ri massacre and the use of carpet bombing and napalm in north korea, with perhaps 20% of the population killed, is deep in the north korean memory.

    In Vietnam there were 326 incidents substantiated by US investigator NOT including My Lai.

    In this century the TV wars have shown many questionable acts like Abu Ghraib

    The murderer in las vegas was shooting from 400 metres into a crowd of unseen fellow citizens because he had the weapons and he could fire anonymously without seeing his victims

    But this time it is not indians, children or foreigners that might invoke sympathy from the world and obama’s americans but not the Americans who believe if the office ladies and the teachers were armed the hook and other school murders would have been averted. Absolute bullshit but believe and that your truth.

    This time it is white ‘country and western’ American men and women from the Rifle Association grass roots. With an unrestricted POTUS who may have the rifle boys on side for reform with a focus on war assault weapons being restricted as being attack not defensive weapons.

  13. stephentardrew

    In reply to good friend Jack Boswell’s suggestion what is driving suffering and inequality is hatred.

    Yep and fear Jack, fear is the subconscious driver of anxiety and irrational overreaction as the limbic system drives emotional responses rather than reason.

    It is interesting how no matter what evidence is available rationally most people would rather trust their habituated drives instead of thinking rationally about a problem while magic mythology, fantasy and religion have the worst influence upon reason.

    Meanwhile the entertainment industry and media promote endless fear, violence and catastrophe in movies, games, social media etc. reinforcing an over-heightened sense of threat even when the evidence clearly tells us otherwise. Our rulers left and right have come to rely upon the power of fear, which then morphs into hate and intolerance, thus keeping the populace in a heightened state of anxiety.

    The real kicker is they then turn around and blame the victims thus reinforcing hatred of the other for no other reason than to control the cultural narrative.

    The sop is the power of consumerism, commodification and the imagined accumulation of wealth while imposing, planned obsolescence, and debt servitude which is simply economic slavery.

  14. Kaye Lee

    In 2015, the Violence Policy Center released analysis of federal crime and health data that explores how often potential victims actually turned the tables.

    In 2012, the center counted 259 justifiable gun-related homicides, or incidents in which authorities ruled that killings occurred in self-defense.

    match those 259 justifiable homicides with the theft of about 232,000 guns each year, about 172,000 of them during burglaries. That’s a ratio of one justifiable homicide for every 896 guns put in the hands of criminals.

    Those 259 justifiable homicides also pale compared with, in the same year, 8,342 criminal homicides using guns, 20,666 suicides with guns, and 548 fatal unintentional shootings, according to the FBI’s Supplemental Homicide Report. The ratio for 2012, per the Violence Policy Center, was one justifiable killing for every 32 murders, suicides or accidental deaths (the ratio increases to 38-1 over the five-year period ending in 2012). That’s a heavy price to pay.

    About half of all suicides are committed with guns, and seven in 10 by men, who also account for 74% of gun owners in the country.

    of the 2012 criminal firearm homicides in which a relationship was reported, three out of four victims knew their killers, and more than a third were family members or “intimate acquaintances” — such as spouses, ex-spouses or others involved in a romantic relationship. They aren’t killing “bad guys” – they are killing family members, neighbours, friends, work colleagues.

    And has anyone ever heard of a private citizen stopping a mass shooting by shooting the shooter? It’s not the OK corral – people run and hide.

  15. Aortic

    Maybe the constitution had Michelle Obama in mind and meant to say the right to bare arms.

  16. Michael Taylor

    Jack, if they didn’t do anything after Sandy Hook, they never will.

    We heard dozens of nurcases say that Sandy Hook was a set-up (or never actually happened) by Obama to help him get stricter gun control.

    With Trump now in office – and pro-gun – you’d think that Vegas would put an end to that sort of conspiracy.

    But no, they’re again out in force. They latest ones are that Stephen Paddock was a patsie and that there were at least five shooters.

    A minority of Americans don’t take these killings seriously enough.

  17. Ross

    Having lived and worked in Houston Texas while on a work assignment in 2011 I can say what most people don’t understand is that Americans have built a society for themselves that feels the need to keep a vast array of weaponry to protect themselves from their fellow Americans.
    It’s a hugely inequitable society based on money, race and fear. Homes are a fortress, it’s legal to shoot dead a home intruder in Texas, nobody walks the streets at anytime night or day and you certainly do not honk or give the finger to a fellow motorist. Something forcibly explained to me by an immigrant taxi driver. Motorists are likely to keep a loaded pistol on the passenger seat close at hand, quite legally.
    Americans generally scoff at our gun laws but cannot understand it when you explain in Australia the average Australian does not want or need a gun to protect themselves or their families from other Australians. I for one would like to keep it that way.
    American society has to radically change before their gun laws will.

  18. Cheryl Hannah

    Sadly real reform will never happen because most Americans hear the word “gun” and feel deep in their being it means “freedom”. They can’t distinguish between the two. When people talk about controlling “gun ownership” their deepest, visceral attachment to their idea of “freedom” is threatened and they cease to think rationally at all.

  19. Keith

    On the Drum (4/10/’17) there was discussion about how copy cat mass murders occur after terrible events had previously happened. The message given was that the responsible monster should get as little publicity as possible; photos, names should not feature etc.

    The other interesting feature appears as though white supremacists involved in atrocities don’t get the label of terrorist.

  20. John

    Self congratulation from Australians because our system is so superior. The rate they shoot each other has nothing to do with us. Its their export of violent shoot first culture through Hollywood and diplomacy and its normalising through centralised media that should be of concern.

    Why no story on the COAG meeting where state governments are falling over each other to be the most Orwellian? Or the proposal by WA to institute shoot to kill laws for the police?

    You’d better hope there never comes a time when your brand of independent thought is seen as terrorist intent here.

  21. Rhonda

    I find the total coverage of this tragedy/ travesty a waste of news space… until there is open and purposeful discussion around measures of gun control in response to this never-ending cycle of violence, there is no point in trying to understand the whys and wherefores. Hearing that sales of the semi auto rifle used in this massacre and the last have spiked makes me weep. The poor old US of A, they be doomed bigly

  22. wam

    Michael, Americans do not think as most(as the adler debate showed many support liberal gun laws) Australians.

    The sandy hook school was one of a long list of school massacres that, in the eyes of the gun lobby were preventable.

    Las vegas is very different. The current POTUS is very different and in a position to limit access to assault attack weapons. The rifle association will agree to limit access.

    Having said that I wont hold my breath, as the stocks for gun manufacturers are rising.

  23. clintbint

    Ross, my best mate was a medical specialist who spent a great deal of his time in the USA. I remember him saying the first time he was invited to his American counterparts home he was gobsmacked by the veritable arsenal this man had in a glass cabinet inside his lounge room. When he inquired as to whether this as the norm he as told ” yeah, pretty standard stuff.” They can pass all the laws they like with the millions of firearms already at large throughout the land, added to the skewed indoctrinated mindset of the average American nothing will change. I had a choice in 1963, to either emigrate to the States or Oz and I am eternally grateful I chose Australia.

  24. Kyran

    Back in 2013, there was an article about the NRA citing three reasons not to believe them.
    “You may have noticed that guns have been in the news lately, and you can’t talk guns without hearing from the NRA. And that seems fair — sure, the NRA is a bit crazy at times, but gun owners deserve to have their voices heard.
    But it turns out that the NRA is about as representative of gun owners as Mario games are of Italians.”
    The article details a membership of about 4.5mill. Out of hundreds of millions of Americans, their membership was 4.5mill. The top reason cited for not believing them;
    “Actually, when the NRA says that they represent gun owners, they kind of are lying. It would be more accurate to say that they represent gun owners … unless their interests go against those of gun manufacturers. Then owners get ditched faster than a fat guy in a marathon.”
    How could that be? Well, it sort of goes like this;
    “…it’s not a coincidence that an organization that’s trying to keep it easy to buy guns receives millions of dollars from companies that make guns. It’s like how climate change “skeptics” are funded by huge polluters, or how we’ll give you 20 bucks if you tell your friends about us.”

    In a similar piece from 2014, the membership was cited as 5mill, with lots of facts and figures about the NRA’s undue influence.

    It’s not too long a bow to draw to make a correlation with the marriage equality debacle we are currently enduring. That many old white blokes, often celibate, frequently wearing robes, would have the gall to give anyone relationship advice stretches any credibility to breaking point. That’s before we query the IPA’s membership and funding in contrast with its influence.
    Yet these are the people handed a megaphone.
    Thank you Mr Lord and commenters. Take care

  25. Max Gross

    Probably your best work so far, John…

  26. Frank Smith

    NRA numbers may not be representative but check out their influence by seeing how much they denote to Senators, Congressmen and “The Donald’s” campaign and the PACs of the Republicans.

  27. Shutterbug

    I often think the their Second Amendment states in actuality “..the right to bear alms” but I sincerely doubt they would have the brains to understand the meaning of same.

  28. Andrew Smith

    Apparently it’s now the fault of the media.

    The Drum from Wednesday (Tuesday’s episode went missing?) was as bad as any commercial free to air current affairs television, not focusing upon the shooting, but nudging away by claiming it’s the ‘media’ to blame in highlighting and/or encouraging shooters and equating US with Australia; ‘fair and balanced’?

    For (too) much of the program a guest, presented as a Curtin University ‘academic’ (not possessing a doctorate) was Glynn Greensmith (in fact a WA ABC Radio entertainment presenter, see below) making claims based on expert research, who he couldn’t name’ round Australia’s own mass shooters e.g. Bryant etc.

    At one point Julie Baird generously suggested it was only a correlation (not even that) amongst many, and not a causal link, from which Greensmith then stated ‘link’ and carried on with his sock puppetry, and no referring to any academic research…. I doubt Ellen Fanning would have let that pass; appalling from both supposed ‘journalists’.

    Greensmith, immigrated to Australia from the UK and he has one related article via an obscure British academic website

    His only other presence is the ABC profile

    Another issue I had, he presents and sounds like Spiked’s Brendan O’Reilly, another conservative sock puppet masquerading as educated, open minded and liberal…..

  29. Andrew Smith

    ‘KeithOctober 5, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    On the Drum (4/10/’17) there was discussion about how copy cat mass murders occur after terrible events had previously happened. The message given was that the responsible monster should get as little publicity as possible; photos, names should not feature etc.

    The other interesting feature appears as though white supremacists involved in atrocities don’t get the label of terrorist.’

    I just commented before I saw this (but has disappeared into the digital ether?), The Drum was appalling, that guest Glynn Greensmith in my opinion, was ‘astro turfing’ through nudging the conversation away from guns and blaming media without any evidence while masquerading as a quasi academic, but was also an ABC Radio presenter.

  30. Zathras

    It’s getting harder and harder to feel sorry for people who lack the will or the courage to do something about this situation.
    Sure the NRA has a lot of politicians in their pocket but they don’t have as many votes as an outraged population.

    Another thing that annoys me is the hysterical fear and panic they display is practically a daily occurence in many other parts of the world that are being subjected to military aggression – it’s a way of life for many and death could come for them from anywhere and at anytime.

    When it comes to civilian casualties, one person with a gun can’t create as much potential carnage as a rocket from a drone in a marketplace, or do they just see all that as Hollywood?

    It’s entirely their call to sort it out and always has been.

  31. diannaart

    I have just enough energy to answer the following:

    My thought for the day
    “Have you ever spelt the word evil backwards?”.

    Yes, in grade 6, where my best friend and I reversed a number of words such as “lived”, “dog”…

    John – you are not alone 🙂

  32. David Bruce

    The USA was doomed regardless of who won the Presidential election. The Las Vegas shooting involved multiple shooters, and helicopter extraction of the shooters (evidence from Flightradar24). In many ways it was similar to the Port Arthur massacre, which also involved multiple shooters. The money masters need the USA to be disarmed so they can continue with their one world government. We need to open our eyes to what has happened and continues to happen in Australia. Sandy Hook and all the other shooting events in Europe, UK and USA have followed drills or exercises by emergency services personnel. These events are sensationalized by MSM and fail to pass the stink test. Now that our police forces (or is that services) have been militarized, they have access to hollow point bullets too. Previously, the Geneva Convention on Warfare outlawed hollow point (dum dum) bullets. Since the Israeli snipers started using them, it appears the rules have been changed. If you get a chance to check out the Abel Danger website, or read the posts by Anna von Reitz, I am sure you would question more the “official” stories too?
    My thought for the day, as in God we trust? GOD = Gold Oil Drugs?

  33. Jack Straw

    David; What proof do you have of multiple shooters at these incidents?

  34. Kaye Lee

    Anna von Reitz is a fruit loop. This is one of her rants…..

    “The Continental United States is under the plenary (complete) control of the living People — the so-called “birthright” American State Citizens. We each have more civil authority on the land than the entire federal government.

    The Federal United States is British-controlled and always has been.

    THE SUPERIOR DISTRICT COURT FOR THE STATE OF ALASKA is run by the ALASKA COURT SYSTEM, INC., which is a federal corporation doing business as the “THE SUPERIOR DISTRICT COURT” — a privately owned and operated for-profit corporate franchise which is under contract to act “FOR” the STATE OF ALASKA which is another private, mostly foreign-owned corporate franchise of the UNITED STATES, INC., which is owned and operated by the IMF, which is an agency of the UNITED NATIONS, INC.”

    Mad as a hatter

  35. Kaye Lee

    And Abel Danger is even weirder….

    “Field McConnell – United States Marine and Global Operations Director of Abel Danger (AD) – has linked Serco’s pig-farm banks’ alleged use of Zulu timing signals to synchronize Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership (Canada) missions with the federal bridge certification authority and to allow former FBI and HSBC director James Comey to supply fake news of ISIS snuff films for high frequency trading by pig-farm bankers and the enrichment of a media elite. ”

    If that’s the best you can come up with as reliable sources to back up your claims then I won’t waste any more time.

  36. diannaart

    Kaye Lee

    Those “pig-farm bankers” have always been a shifty lot, wanting to flood the world’s markets with pork bellies – who knows where it will end? 😛

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