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Day to Day Politics: A party full of liars.

Sunday 24 April 2016 – 71

1 On NEWS 24 on Saturday morning I listened intently to yet another interview with Greg Hunt. I have previously called him the Coalition’s second biggest liar after Tony Abbott. He was typically using his best flamboyant language to say that Australia is the envy of the rest of the world for its direct action on climate change. As usual he was lying by omission. When asked about a recent declaration by the independent Climate Change Authority that Australia would have to decrease its emissions by 40/60% if it was to achieve its future targets he simply ignored the question and continued on with the absurd suggestion that we were, more or less, the world’s best performers .

In spite of all the science that has placed the problem beyond any reasonable doubt people need to recognise that half of the Coalition still don’t accept the evidence of climate change. This week we had the Attorney General (the same Senator who cannot use a computer) saying that the science is still unsettled.

Most of us accept evidence based, peer tested, evidence. There are three cohorts of people who don’t. Luddites like Brandis, religious nutters, and capitalists who worship profit before people.

The vast majority – in excess of 97 per cent – of scientific papers on climate change agree its causes are primarily man-made.

CSIRO Chief Larry Marshall said:

“The question has been answered, and the new question is what do we do about it, and how can we find solutions for the climate we will be living with.”

Senator Nash, who happens to be responsible for regional development, told Sky News there were “varying views” on climate science and she was of the opinion it was still up for debate.

An observation.

Asked where the Paris deal left Australia’s climate change policy, the expert adviser to the former government Professor Ross Garnaut said: “Exactly where it was before the US-China announcement – up shit creek.”

So how does a leader with firm well known supportive views on the subject cope with so many deniers in his party? Well the answer is he doesn’t. He allows them to lead him.

2 And the leader himself lies about the affect Negative Gearing will have on the value of peoples homes. His deputy lies about Labor’s debt. The Treasurer and his assistant use goobly gook words to confuse people about the state of the economy,ignoring the fact that there was a Global Financial Crisis and that they have themselves increased our debt substantially.

3 Not to be outdone in the lying stakes Sophie Mirabella, the bride of bitchyness, in a debate with other candidates for the seat of Indi says that her party withdrew $10million dollars allocated to the local hospital because she didn’t win.

Of course logic tells you that had that money been available it would have been a policy in her campaign. Her contemptuously  outrageous statement will probably cost her any chance of winning the seat. What it has done however is to reinforce the perception that unless you live in a marginal seat then your vote doesn’t count for much.

I live in the seat of Gippsland. The city of Traralgon is currently experiencing rapid growth. It requires a new swimming complex and arts district. On many occasions I have said that until the seat becomes marginal that it’s wishful thinking. The current Member is Darren Chester who holds the seat by around 14 per cent. In the last reshuffle he was made Infrastructure Minister. Guess what?

4 On other matters Bill Shorten has said that Labor will accept the umpire’s decision on Penalty Rates which will be handed down at some point during the campaign. It will probably go against the grain and upset the Union Movement but as he says:

“I’ve said I’ll accept the independent tribunal,” “just like that”, it was ultimately up to the commission” he said.

“I’ve got my opinion. At the end of the day though, the way minimum wages get set in this country is through evidence, it’s through the submissions of workers, their representatives and employers.”

5 A small but important point from the last IPOS Poll suggests that Labor needs to do more to attract the young vote.

At 32 per cent, the Greens’ primary vote among 18 to 24-year-olds is seven points ahead of the Coalition and just one point behind Labor’s 33, highlighting the century-old social democratic party’s problem with losing voters from the left.

Labor’s vote is 20 points down from its peak of 53 per cent in mid-2015, the height of the Abbott government’s political woes.

It was only a very small sample but never the less is a concern. It does also of course reflect just how unpopular the Coalition is with the young.

6 This week’s final Crickey Bludger Tracker combined poll analysis has the Coalition on 50.1 and Labor 49.9

“It’s close but no cigar for Labor in the latest reading of the BludgerTrack poll aggregate, which projects the Turnbull government grimly hanging on to a parliamentary majority.’’

My thought for the day.

It seems to me that the wisest people I know are the ones that apply reason, and logic and leave room for doubt. The most unwise are the fools and fanatics who dont’.



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  1. paul walter

    Last, first…there are some fine progressives who still haven’t been purged by the trog ALP right faction but they are an endangered species and all that stand between the ALP and Death by monoculture. Think Plibers and Wong and spare a moment for their situation.

    Ghunt, like Turncoat, is that most dangerous of liars, one who knows better. The millstone round his neck is that he is known to had a look at enviro at uni and his conclusions then as to corporate user-pays are well known and diametrically opposed to his stance as enviro minister.

    As for the polls, the response of the public to the last nearly three years remains THE mystery of the Ages, even allowing for the mediocrity of Labor.

    Have THAT many people had their heads trapped within the darkness of their anterior fundaments for the entire three years?

    Will someone who does understand, help cognitively deficient folk like this writer with some sort of definitive analysis and statement that can offer hope of a belated epiphany, even for someone evidently as far down the intellectual scale as him?

  2. Miriam English

    “A party of liars.” Succinctly put, John.

    Regarding your thought for the day, I like the metaphor of knowledge as a spotlight. The illuminated area inside the spot stands for what is known. The dark region outside it denotes things unknown. The edge of the spot represents the questions. Notice what happens as the spot increases? Questions proliferate as knowledge grows. The only people who have few questions and thus have great certainty are those without much knowledge.

  3. Terry2

    We are going to need some very astute and agile fact chceckers as the election campaign hots up. Dental health for children and low income people is the latest battleground .

    Sussan Ley is thrilled that there is an extra $2.1 billion going into the $5 billion scheme supposedly representing a doubling of Commonwealth funding

    The Australia Dentists Associations says that, in fact, the policy represents a $200 million reduction in funding and Labor says it’s a $1 billion reduction – over four years (?).


    All I know is from what I’ve heard anecdotally and that is that the existing scheme is very hard to access.

  4. Florence nee Fedup

    Maybe Shorten has faith in the tribunal. There is a big chance the employers and government will lose. Suspect any change would be made with caveat that no worker can lose any money. There has been I believe some cases where union and employers have agree to award changes where penalties have been exchanged for higher award rate.

    The bigger danger is that this government makes changes to the tribunal, making it easier for employers to get what they want.

  5. Miriam English

    There is a certain irony that the climate denying LNP, in advocating for their fake “Direct Action” which includes planting more trees has accidentally hit on the only long-term policy that will work against climate destabilisation. Don’t get me wrong, paying the big polluters to pollute less obviously hasn’t a snowflake’s chance in hell of doing anything except worsening outcomes, but planting vegetation will.

    First, we need to get off our fossil fuel addiction and move to carbon-neutral energy. Then with our emissions under control we need to suck all that excess carbon dioxide back out of the atmosphere. Plants are really the only effective way to do that. We can start producing food, hydrocarbons (plastics and oil), and other things directly from the air the way plants do, but currently our technology for doing that is primitive. At the moment plants really are the only realistic long-term solution.

    We need to re-green our planet.

    See how the seasons affect carbon dioxide production, and what a terrific job plants do mopping it up, in this NASA video (make sure the sound is on for the narrative):

    Don’t be misled by Australia’s apparent low emissions in the video. We have a miniscule population, but the highest per-person production of CO2 in the world. Added to that, we export huge amounts of coal, to make the problem elsewhere much, much worse.

  6. corvus boreus

    Miriam English,
    Planting lots of trees is one way of addressing the de-vegetation of our planet.
    Not clearing away vast swathes of existing vegetation is another.

  7. maxpowerof1

    As he signed, he looked up and around.
    Very dodgy.

  8. margcal

    1. Not so sure that capitalists necessarily deny climate science in the same way that Luddites and RWNJs do, as articles of faith.
    Their ‘problem’ is that in their hierarchy of truths, which then directs their behaviour, everyone and everything else comes second to making money.

    2. Gippsland is a typical seat then … a significant number of turkeys vote for Christmas.

    3. I’m close to despair. It gets harder and harder to read and hear the news. I’m feeling worse and worse about the future of this country. That polls are close to 50/50 instead of a much larger number being anti-LNP saps hope.

  9. maxpowerof1

    Stoicheometry of combustion is that carbon dioxide can be used as a baseline measure of calculating other constituent chemical emissions.

    Hence the value of a carbon tax.

    Pollution is the problem.

    Carbon dioxide can be a problem when polluted phytoplankton and rampant deforestation limit the carbon cycle.

  10. maxpowerof1

    Could have called it a combustion tax, but the people of Australia would have risen up to protest that “we don’t need another GST”.

  11. amarkone

    I can say without a doubt I have never seen so many liars in one government, every Liberal politician has been trained to lie. All politicians tell the odd porky but this mob take the cake they are the absolute personification of ‘liar liar pants on fire’. What they don’t understand is that they are so hated for their lies that I’m sure there is a Madame Defarge frantically knitting. You only have to look at Bernie Sanders in the USA to see that especially the young are fed up to the back teeth with the ‘arseholes’ who are pulling the strings and as sure as night follows day our political system is doomed.

    I normally misspell Greg Hunts name with a C and what is really painful is that somebody should take him to task but the media is in on the act as well, just look at the Lebanon fiasco, it’s all to do with greed.

    On a slightly different note, John Howard always reminded me of Scrooge McDuck the cartoon character banker who sat on a mound of gold in a bank vault. Howard did the same thing so he could boast about a surplus when he should have been building so called infrastructure, now we are paying the price and no real commentary from the mainstream media that even smells of logic.

  12. Ginny Lowndes

    Voting made easy: LNP will declare every pre-election committee and promise to be non-core and/or broken the day after the election. They will then continue to implement rule by the IPA. Simple.

  13. Backyard Bob

    “Luddite” has got to be the most misused word in the Universe – literally.

  14. John Lord

    Originally it alluded to the destruction of machinery. Now it refers to people who hate or cannot cope with technology.

    Top Definition. luddite. 1. One who fears technology (or new technology, as they seem pleased with how things currently are…why can’t everything just be the …

  15. diannaart


    Yeah. Should be: Neo-Luddite

    Neo-Luddism or New Luddism is a philosophy opposing many forms of modern technology.[1] The word Luddite is generally used as a derogatory term applied to people showing technophobic leanings.[2] The name is based on the historical legacy of the British Luddites, who were active between 1811 and 1816.[1]

    Neo-Luddism is a leaderless movement of non-affiliated groups who resist modern technologies and dictate a return of some or all technologies to a more primitive level.[3] Neo-Luddites are characterized by one or more of the following practices: passively abandoning the use of technology, harming those who produce technology, advocating simple living, or sabotaging technology. The modern Neo-Luddite movement has connections with the anti-globalization movement, anarcho-primitivism, radical environmentalism and Deep Ecology.[3]

    Neo-Luddism is based on the concern of the technological impact on individuals, their communities and or the environment,[4] Neo-Luddism stipulates the use of the precautionary principle for all new technologies, insisting that technologies be proven safe before adoption, due to the unknown effects that new technologies might inspire.

    Still doesn’t fit George Brandis, though…

  16. Backyard Bob


    The actual Luddites had a point that remains relevant today. Reliance on technology is still destroying livelihoods (and will continue to do so) and we’ve yet to re-orient our thinking to properly accommodate it. It’s one of the reasons I refuse to use self-service checkouts at supermarkets.

    I don’t have an issue with the paradigm of technology replacing “work” except that we are still far from dealing with the effects of it, either conceptually or practically.

    Oh, and even “neo-luddism” doesn’t refer to denial of scientific facts.

  17. diannaart

    Is today “backwards Sunday Day”?

    I am finding I am in agreement with ByB – ‘Luddite’ is indeed commonly misused.

  18. paul walter

    ByB, platinum award for comment of the day.

  19. DisablednDesperate

    As an ex South Gippsland resident I feel your pain John.
    We tried so hard to convince others that even if we couldn’t throw Chester at least as a marginal seat we’d be better off but nope the same farmers fighting CSG still voted him back.

  20. diannaart

    That would be interesting, Paul, if Bob Day wins – there’s words I thought I’d never say…

  21. silkworm

    Bob Day is full of shit. He has no chance of winning. He says the new reforms disenfranchise the voters when in fact the new reforms give more power to voters. Bob Day is even more right-wing than Corgi St Bernardi. bernardi has threatened to leave the Libs if same sex marriage gets up and create a new party with Bob Day.

  22. paul walter

    What I actually found worthwhile with this article was a recollection of how Turncoat got hold of Wentworth.

    Wakey, wakey…

  23. Terry2


    There is no winner or loser in a Constitutional challenge of this sort, it is simply a clarification of the constitutionality of the changes and an interpretation by the High Court of the term “chosen by the people”

    If Bob Day hadn’t referred this to the High Court somebody else would have had to do it.

    Governments in their enthusiasm to hold on to office will legislate just about anything that benefits them, fortunately we have the Constitution to act as a constraint on excess.

  24. Florence nee Fedup

    I can’t see any reason why we need above line voting which is based on electing parties not an individual. They are counting on people being too lazy to pick whom they want below the line. To make it worse, have claimed it not to be optional but will accept only one box being ticked. That leads to first fast the post. In this case, the one includes all that party nominates. Doesn’t sound fair or level playing field at all to me.

    As usual, another con.

    To keep it fair, only way to vote is below the vote. That was one can put likes Cash and Abetz last, even if you want to vote for that party.

  25. diannaart


    They (neo-libtards) are counting on people being too lazy to pick whom they want below the line.


    only way to vote is below the vote. .. one can put (the) likes (of) Cash and Abetz last

    Satisfying way to vote


  26. keerti

    Luddites and technology…what technology really does is simply production and often in simplifying it remove the need for highly trained experts. Anyone who can search, read and apply can fix a computer, so although there are millions of computers there are few “fixers”. The long term result is that jobs that required long traing now often are lowly paid and require only short training.The prices
    don’t change though and the money moves up the ponzi scheme called the economy!

    Some stats

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