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Day to Day Politics: It’s inadequate. Here is why.

Wednesday, October 11, 2017

1 Since Tony Abbott ordered its destruction, the NBN has been a controversial infrastructure build. Last week in reply to more criticism of the roll out and performance of the NBN the Prime Minister said that he was “keenly aware” of the problems confronting the NBN co.

Then, quite astonishingly he said that it was all about marketing and customer relationship problems and not about the technology. What a lot of hogwash. The majority of the complaints refer to the installation and the speed. That’s the technology, not marketing.

“NBN Co has got to improve the installation experience. That’s a people management, a process management issue. And they’re getting on top of that.”

“People are being told by the telecom retailers that they’re going to get speeds which are not being delivered at peak times. And we’ve got a number of changes to ensure that problem doesn’t continue”, Mr Turnbull said.

There is some truth in that but the initial problem is that we have built an internet service for today, and not tomorrow. The Prime Minister says that the rollout is the “fastest, biggest” in Australia’s history, and that NBN Co was “doing an extraordinary job”.

He went on to say that his decision to use a range of different technologies as opposed to the ALP’s fibre to the home technology meant that we have “fastest, biggest” rollout in Australia’s history. Well, putting aside the fact that there has only been one, the PM said the NBN was doing an extraordinary job. No problems then. He went on to say that:

“The vast majority of NBN’s customers are happy with it, but there are too many that are not, and I am determined to fix it.”

“Mitch Fitfield and I are not leaving this to bureaucrats. We are dealing with the management directly.”

So there are problems but nobody is talking about the future here. Labor’s “fibre to the home” would have addressed that issue but Turnbull’s recipe of mixed ingredients does not.

Mark Gregory, electronic and telecommunications associate professor at RMIT University says that we are in danger of a collapse at peak hour because of our love for internet streaming services.

It’s the growth factor, stupid. We are building a network that, in a few years, will not be able to handle the expected growth. Now any business looking to expand wold allow for growth in its business plan but not our NBN.

Fancy Australia’s internet being at risk of collapse because it is incapable of expansion. And it’s not just our love of streaming that will affect the networks capacity to handle the traffic. What about when our health services fully adapt to internet consultation, the population keeps growing and business demands more from the network during peak times?

“The latest ABS figures released last week demonstrated our ever-growing obsession with the internet. Total downloads in Australia between June 2016 and June 2017 grew by a massive 43 per cent to just shy of three million terabytes. This all comes as the total number of internet users grew by only 2.1 per cent, suggesting demand will continue to surge regardless of population growth.”

With the Government seemingly fixated with using existing copper wiring it will place hard limits on download speeds and with more users joining the network, speeds may continue to fall.

It can only be described as a major policy failure by the Turnbull government. As I said earlier, we are building a service for today when what is needed is a vision for tomorrow, however, conservative governments have never been good at change or having the wisdom to look ahead.

The Bible for all things internet, Akamai’s “State of the Internet” reckons Australia is lagging well behind the rest of the world. Even our neighbour New Zealand will deliver to most of its citizens speeds of up to 100 megabits (Mbps) download a second, while 80 per cent of Australians signed up to the NBN receive a maximum of up to 25Mbps.

And Mr Turnbull reckons it’s a marketing problem. Just wait a few more years and we will see whose problem it is.

2 He may no longer be our Prime Minister but Tony Abbott certainly wields a lot of clout. It looks as though Turnbull has yet again caved into Abbott and his merry band of coal-loving climate change deniers. When men and women of little science hold sway on those with much, one has to wonder about the sanity of conservative politicians.

Using metaphors that only he would understand – in a country that has a bi-partisan approach to climate change – Abbott again displayed his ignorance. On this occasion he kept up his anti-climate change rhetoric while at the same time demonstrating just how bad he was at politics.

As PM of Australia he signed Australia up to the Paris International climate agreement.

He is also the Prime Minister who directed a plan of policy action incentives called “Direct Action”.

He also set up Australia’s renewable energy target, while abolishing the mechanism designed to give the market certainty to make future investments in baseload power generation.

Former British Labour leader Ed Miliband responded to the speech with a tweet that said: “I know Donald Trump has lowered the bar for idiocy but…..”

Not a politician’s bootlace.

Josh Frydenberg said:

“Industry is looking for stability, they’re not necessarily looking for a handout.”

“What they’re looking for is a settled bipartisan investment climate whether there are subsidies or not.”

I wonder if that applies to the overly generous subsidies they give the coal industries.

There can be no doubt now that this is now an Abbott policy and not a Turnbull one. The uncouth gutter politician has defeated the smiling assassin.

3 This week’s Essential poll finds Labor maintaining a 54-46 two-party-preferred vote, fuelled by a Coalition primary vote that has lost one in seven of its voters since last year’s election.

My thought for the day

“Every major experience is a mountain with a peak to climb, a decent to safely navigate and a lesson or two to learn on route.”

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41 comments

  1. John Lord

    I noticed this in The Australian this morning under the headline “NBN can’t cope with kids” – When the tech-savvy members of the school-aged generation flock to the internet en masse, speeds appear to plummet.

  2. Kaye Lee

    My stupid FttN internet drops out several times every day without fail. It usually only lasts a few minutes before coming back on but, if you are on the landline phone, you lose connection. This is unbelievably aggravating. Also, during the school holidays, the speed was so slow at times I couldn’t even load the speed test page.

  3. Jack

    I was one of the lucky locations that got fibre to the home before it all changed. We are not on the fastest NBN plan and I never noticed any great difference between it and ADSL2. What is noticeable is that in the last year or two it will drop out every now and then in the peak times.
    I put this down to Telstra more than the actual NBN infrastructure

  4. Terry2

    We live in a regional area where we won’t be getting NBN cabling, no fibre to the premises and not a node in sight.

    Some years ago we dropped our landline telephone service in favour of mobile as a cost saving measure, at a time when we had been advised that our mobile connectivity would be improved by the installation of a new tower : it hasn’t and whilst we are in a mobile blackspot there are no plans to improve our connectivity.

    We decided in June to have our landline reconnected, we assumed that this was just a matter of flicking a switch at the exchange : then we found that there is no switch and not even an exchange anymore.

    Telstra are the only service provider in our area but they don’t do connections any more. So we turned to NBN who told us that they don’t do landline connections anymore but they do fixed Wireless which is evidently superior and just requires a fixed wireless signal in the local area : we don’t have that.

    NBN have sent out contractors on three occasions to connect us to fixed wireless and on each occasion they advised that we have no signal – on the third occasion I started to feel personally responsible for not having a signal as these contractors looked at me as though I was responsible.

    After the last NBN contractor had left we spoke to NBN HQ who advised that they could no longer assist us as we had no fixed wireless signal.

    It has been suggested that we get an external antenna to boost our mobile connectivity !

    End of story

  5. James O'Neill

    When you use a phrase “even our neighbour New Zealand ” it portrays a typical Australian mindset that is surprised that NZ is ahead of the game. If you nominate almost any social or political indicator over the past 130 years you will find NZ leads Australia by at least a decade.

  6. Harquebus

    John Lord
    A multi technology NBN is more flexible, adaptable and incorporates new technology much easier. None of us should have had to do anything during this transition. No equipment replacement nor rewiring should have been necessary.
    It was stuffed up from its inception when that moron Conroy thought he knew better and came up with the worst, most expensive and most inflexible network possible and people wonder why its not going well.

    Streaming is not the same as downloading and it is the online movie distributors and not the consumers pushing it.

    Kaye Lee
    Problems like yours are a magnet for me.
    Have you been provided a reason for your drop outs? Did you have a fax or second phone before your transfer to the NBN? Why are you with Telstra?

  7. Tony Adams

    As a Wallaby supporter it pains to agree with you James. My numerous friends on the shaky Isles are often having a friendly dig at us. It seems there is some substance to their jibes!!! Retire in NZ mmmmm!!!! Food for thought!!

  8. Joseph Carli

    Harquebus…after reading your above load of utter bullshit!!, I am now uncertain if it is YOU talking from INSIDE the loony bin, or myself inside the same to escape form your insanity!
    What complete with mudflaps bullshit you spruik!..do you seriously believe we here in the black-spot regions who have been f#cked around for so long and screwed over for so much, have no fukkin’ idea what we require or need and so miss?
    You’re fukkin’ dreamin’ son…

  9. helvityni

    NZ looks better by the day…

    Hubby tells me that Aussie journalists used to bombard foreign dignitaries/ celebrities with :’ what do you think of Oz, bloody best country in world’, when the tired travellers were hardly out of their aeroplanes…

  10. Shogan

    HEAR HEAR Joseph Carli!!!

  11. Shogan

    I rang a motorbike shop in the Barossa the other day to order some oil for my bike & got through to a message bank for a number completely unrelated to the shop, hesitantly I left a message but tried ringing again & the same thing happened again, so the next day I called into the shop to buy the oil & I asked him about the call going to a different message bank number & the guy told me it had been happening ever since the NBN was connected & if they didn’t get to the phone by the 4th ring it automatically went to a strange message bank & they weren’t the only business in the area having the problem, go figure!!

  12. Freetasman

    I live in Tasmania and have NBN. It is great, fast and reliable. I cannot be happier.

  13. Joseph Carli

    Below is a section from a post I put up here a while back..: ” Now this Telstra’s a little Bewdy folks”..

    “Now here’s where the “strange things” come into play…
    I will start at the beginning of our internet woes. Go back a couple of years, and we were on the wireless network, our modem then was one of those big “Gateway” things with the three aerials on the back..it served us well for quite a while. Then one day it suddenly stopped working..the weather was hot and we concluded (with a Telstra tech’s agreement) that it was cactus…broken..
    “That’s alright” the Philippine call centre person assured “we will send you a new up-dated device that will improve your reception”…I presumed it was going to be another wireless modem and I must add , I was given no advice it would be otherwise…and so we received in the mail a new “Advance 4G.” (MOBILE BROADBAND) modem.
    I still thought we were on wireless when we used that advanced 4G. why would I think otherwise?..I had no information it was otherwise from Telstra…There’s nothing on the box says otherwise..and if there is some writing somewhere, it must be so small print, my old eyes would have mistaken it for a smudge of dirt!
    And it wasn’t until the reception got so much worse, us being in a mobile black-spot, I started to go to forums like “Whirlpool” and others to find out about the problem. It was on one of these forums that I read that the “Advance 4G” was so correctly described as no more than : “A shit mobile phone with a shittier screen!”…and some went on further to describe how they got better reception hooking their Samsung smartphone up to their laptop as a modem instead and using the Advance 4G sim-card…until Telstra found out and threatened to block the service.
    You see..out here in the regions..in the country..mobile reception is shocking..terrible..hopeless and up till now the only option has been Telstra.
    Anyway, one day at a local govt’ meeting where two young “blades”, one from the NBN and the other from Telstra spoke at a “information and update” meeting where I learned that the wireless network had been withdrawn from the more outlying regions (ours!) to be concentrated into the larger regional towns with a NBN “fixed wireless” tower to service the town. Sooo..THAT explained the “broken Gateway modem” and the Telstra offer of the “Advanced 4G” mobile broadband…a more unstable device I have yet to use.
    The upshot was that we here in the more sparsely pop’ areas were unceremoniously dumped off the wireless network in a plan conjured up between Turnbull’s govt’ and Telstra to throw us upon the mercy of Telstra’s mobile broadband network..The shit had just begun!”

  14. Harquebus

    Joseph Carli
    That would be coming from someone who has not studied the subject to someone who has.
    Stick to what you know.

    BTW: Me expressing my non abusive frustrations and contrary opinions gets me put in moderation but, any and all attacks on and derogatory remarks directed towards me are permitted.
    Okay, got it.

  15. wam

    Dear Lord, a telstra free day saw 1841 terabytes downloaded to PHONES, with one man 421 gigs

    There will be no problem in the copper NBN, a la lnp mentality because telstra will layer the access.

    Those, at the top end of the bundle-buyers, will be the last to slow down. Whilst we, at the cheap end, will drop out to maintain the rich’s coverage. NB we are buying the pollies batteries so even on blackout they will have access.

    The rabbottian bottom line is ‘labor’s NBN was a waste of money because their voters will never need the power of fibre.

    There is certainly truth in that assessment, at least in my home where access to download is tailored to our use and we have never reached more than 60% of our monthly allowance and that was only once. But a visit from our grandson resulted in us getting a warning about ‘reverting to dial up’. In less than 3 days he had blown 75% of our allowance.

    Labor’s point should have been every hospital, clinic, doctor’s surgery should have top access. Schools, councils and remote stations and remote communities should have reliable access via fibre or satellite.

    hahaha terry2 the rabbott has you, and Aborigines, covered with ‘lifestyle choices’.

    ps words are important being called socialist 60 years was not the vote ‘detracter’ the winner was ‘communist’ being a commo meant you were feared by the migrants (whose descendants today may be spooked by the socialist??), the conservatives and many catholic labor voters. QED???

  16. Joseph Carli

    Shogan : ” I rang a motorbike shop in the Barossa the other day to order some oil for my bike …” ..What?..You don’t go to Griegers ?

  17. nurses1968

    Against every wish by my boss who hated TurnbullsNBN, not Labors., While he was away I made the decision to get connected as I was told the old service would expire soon.
    Beyond all hope it works amazingly and flawlessly and handles video and such with ease. It is the 100 speed {?} and we video conference between here and the boss in Alaska a couple of times a week with no problem, no buffering,no dropouts and Optus did the changeover without distruption so while the majority may suffer there are pockets of that seem to perform.

  18. Joseph Carli

    Harquebus wrote..: ” Kaye Lee
    Problems like yours are a magnet for me.”………..Kaye Lee..will you please stop acting as a blanket that has the unfortunate stigma of attracting : “shit to…” .

  19. Harquebus

    For those interested in NBN news, this is the second site on my daily reading list.

    http://whirlpool.net.au/

  20. ozfenric

    Harquebus – “A multi technology NBN is more flexible, adaptable and incorporates new technology much easier.” What are you smoking?!? The multi-technology NBN was designed specifically to keep using the hardware that is already there. Turnbull decided to retain the existing Optus (now decommissioned) copper lines and Telstra (not-fit-for-purpose, Telstra has admitted) copper lines to save money. Multi-technology NBN was implemented specifically to avoid incorporating new technology, and should you need to incorporate new technology (e.g. when the existing copper is inadequate, or when people realise that 25Mbps is inadequate for remote desktops and multi-user streaming) you then need to replace the old, “multi-technology” infrastructure with newfangled FTTP stuff. Apart from the issue of the century-old copper network being decrepit, the other problem with copper is that it can’t handle high speeds that modern computing requires. Fibre can. In fact, fibre can go well beyond any speeds currently in use, all you have to do is replace the hardware at the exchange. The original FTTP NBN can handle new technology infinitely more easily than patched-together copper NBN, and it’s immensely cheaper to maintain and upgrade.

    BTW, Labor’s FTTP NBN was multi-technology. For those in remote areas where fibre wasn’t possible, there is a satellite wireless option (slower than FTTP, but still faster than anything else available in those areas).

    The rest of your comment is equally flawed, but I couldn’t let your first, completely incorrect sentence past.

  21. Roswell

    Harquebus, most people who comment on this site are moderated. The big difference between you and them is that they accept the site’s rules and don’t create a song and a dance about it.

    Your constant snide remarks about it will not change our rules.

  22. Harquebus

    ozfrenic
    “The multi-technology NBN was designed specifically to keep using the hardware that is already there.”
    True. The choice between using fiber or existing equipment should have been yours. I would have been quite happy using my existing ADSL equipment which, is more than capable of handling my current NBN speed.

    “when the existing copper is inadequate, or when people realise that 25Mbps is inadequate…”
    Yep. Again, the decision to upgrade would be yours. Most of the copper network is still in good condition despite what is being said. The exposed cable ends are the only sections that have deteriorated. Easy fixed.

    “you then need to replace the old, “multi-technology” infrastructure with newfangled FTTP stuff. ”
    Not so. One only needs to bridge to FTTN. Bridging is part networking and is how current and new technology can be incorporated. For example, bridging laser to a line of site mast. You setup your laser, the curbside cabinets bridge it to fiber.

    Another option not considered is using existing TV aerials which, can also be used to transmit. How easy would it be to direct your TV antenna toward a mast mounted on or near a cabinet and plug your TV cable directly into to an NBN enabled device and still have free to air. Again, just bridge from radio to fiber. Simple.

    I also have the NBN and have not had any issues other than laying a temporary cable across a floor. That said, it could have been so much better, cheaper and flexible but, it has been stuffed up by every communications minister starting with Conroy.

    Here are just a few things that could have been possible with a wireless enabled NBN.

    Emergency vehicles controlling lights and traffic.
    Portable remote sensoring and monitoring.
    Wireless masts can be located in radio deadspots enabling communications and TV relaying.
    Portable equipment for controlling special events.
    Public transport could coordinate.

  23. Keith

    Where I live, we have fibre to the node which works well during the day;but, after school and work hours it slows down to being slower than ADSL. Consider yourself lucky if you have fibre to the home.
    The NBN was supposedly an investment for the future, it is turning out to be a poor investment for the present.

  24. Roswell

    The NBN was supposedly an investment for the future, it is turning out to be a poor investment for the present

    Best comment ever.

  25. jimhaz

    [Dear Lord, a telstra free day saw 1841 terabytes downloaded to PHONES, with one man 421 gigs]

    Sounds like someone I know. When these free days occurred with Vodaphone a couple of years ago, he’d spend all day downloading stuff. He is an unemployed conspiracy theory believer type and reckons it won’t be long before everything of decent quality is behind a paywall or not downloadable. I recall him bragging about how many gigs he downloaded one day using downloaders that take entire websites.

  26. guest

    One of the topics here in John Kelly’s writing today is the matter of AGW denial. When this topic was being discussed on tv, there was frequent vision of Abbott telling us that AGW is real – and that human influence is real, but not much.

    What Abbott and so many of the deniers/skeptics do is to walk on both sides of the street. They pick on little bits of information and try to claim the information is incorrect. Sometimes it is a broad statement, such as there have been warmings in the past – but they avoid any real details.

    Sometimes they are more specific. For example, with regard to a recent hurricane in the Caribbean and the USA, Judith Currie said that climate change had nothing to do with the hurricane because the Atlantic had been only at 26 degrees, whereas a hurricane needs an ocean temperature of 28 degrees to induce a hurricane. So the question was about how it was that there had in fact been a hurricane, and Currie’s answer was a vague suggestion that wind sheer had something to do with it.

    You see how the quibbling over numbers is supposed to decide everything.

    In the case of Abbott and his muddled thinking, he has no science at all to employ. For him, it is all a matter of politics. Which is a very scary proposition, so that all the talk is about jobs and industry, nothing about cooking the planet. The story is, apparently, that a little warming is good for us. But much more warming? Don’t talk about it. Let us just burn the coal!

  27. Joseph Carli

    Harquebus..you whole premise of the last post is based on YOUR subjective assertions..; 1) that the ADSL (YOU) have is suitable for YOUR use..I cannot get ADSL even because there is no port available now or in the near future at the nearest exchange…end of…
    2) Most of the copper network YOU say is in good condition…How the EFF do you know?..except someone has told you..another subjective assertion..anyone on this site could tell you how inclement weather drops out their copper network…end of…
    3) Bridging…Great…perhaps.. if you are in a well served suburb..completely useless bit of info for millions in the regions…again; end of…
    4)Aerial transmission…; weather exclusive outside met’ area..same with fixed wireless outside 3km. from tower zone..You don’t know what you are talking about…end of…

    Friends in the Adelaide hills who were swapped over to NBN a while back were cut off from communications for several days in those wild storms as the land-line was out, the NBN went down and the mobile tower batteries went out after a few hours..
    Forget Conroy..HE and Labor had good intentions…this dickhead we have in power now hasn’t a fukkkkkkkkkin’ clue…not-a-fukkkin’-clue!

  28. Harquebus

    Joseph Carli
    I have to go so, just quickly, the distances that I am talking about are only are few hundred meters to a roadside cabinet, not the kilometers that the soon to be defunct ADSL system uses.
    It’s all hypothetical now anyway. We got what we got and will just have to live with it.

  29. Jack

    Ahh, good intentions. They’re great, they don’t cost any money

  30. Joseph Carli

    ” Ahh, good intentions. They’re great, they don’t cost any money”…Now, Jack…is that statement an indicator of your current financial state, or your ethical ambition ?

  31. Joseph Carli

    Harquebus wrote..: “Joseph Carli
    I have to go so, just quickly,…”…..I have consulted my memory as far back as the first grade, and with the exception of old Father Collins, who once hummed in prayer..; “Our father, who art in heaven…” , I cannot, Harquebus, think of anyone but YOU who can so innocently state the bleedin’ obvious and be convinced that they are saying an original thought !

  32. diannaart

    Am interested in knowing how the quantity of nodes per percentage of population is configured.

    I do know that a sizable regional town (Port Pirie, South Australia, pop’n 15,000) had NBN installed earlier this year and that it only has a total of 2 nodes.

    I can confirm from my cousin who lives in P.P. that she experiences the same problems as Keith: speed drops considerably after school hours and on into the evening with fibre to the node.

  33. Zathras

    It’s like the good-old days when bashing Telecom was the National Sport.

    To be fair, the NBN provides a network of highways connecting homes to Internet Gateways and Service Providers sell the cars you drive on those roads.
    The problem with efficiently and effectively providing the NBN (as well as the dog’s breakfast network they have been politically saddled with) is the army of contractors being used to do the work. It’s an exploitative environment and one with no authority and no responsibility.
    Contractors have also been known to use existing lead cable sheathing in pits as convenient ladders, cracking them and creating future problems.

    When it comes to fixing problems, those ISPs are just another link in the chain of communication between the NBN and the customer.

    I saw it all during the OPTUS Analogue Mobile days when they re-sold Telstra’s network as if it was their own and greatly slowed down customer response times, knowing that Telstra would always get the blame when usually it was their own fault for relaying incorrect information to the Telstra Maintenance staff.

    Perhaps Harquebus should dust off that old 33.6k MODEM and use dial-up access on his shiny copper wires. Chances are he could get to 52K if he doesn’t live too far from the exchange.

    Also, maintenance of the Copper Network began to wind down during the Sol Trujillo era when he decided to go optical in the capital cities. but wanted Howard to help subsidise it. It would never have happened during the Telecom days but the privatised Telstra did what all private companies do to save costs – cut maintenance, cut staff and outsource wherever possible. I watched it all happen from the inside and it’s still happening today.

    They’re also selling their faulty copper to NBN – problem solved.

  34. wam

    diannaart.
    Would you ask your pirie contact to check if rowan ramsey and the local pollie experience slow speed plus friends with top line bundles?

  35. Keith

    Kronomex

    The general principles operating about privatisation are that they equal extra costs being created, and poorer service. Presumably it is another way to try and decrease the number of people on benefits.
    With the NBN Call Centre, you get the impression that the people you deal with are trying to be very helpful; but, there is a disconnect between what has been agreed during the phone call, and what actually happens.
    Ideology wins out over good management.

    The CES was disbanded through privatisation; private Employment Agencies are a dogs breakfast. Post senior High School education is a farse since privatisation. The energy market has become a mess through privatisation.

    The only trust that can be placed with the current Federal LNP is that they will stuff up anything they try to administer.

  36. Matters Not

    Here’s what a better future might look like.

    The idea of a socialist economy with unconditional access to basic incomes and greatly expanded provision of free services might seem utopian. But in the aftermath of neoliberal failure, utopian vision is what is needed. To re-engage people with democratic politics, we need to move beyond culture wars and arguments over marginal adjustments to tax rates and budget allocations, necessary as these may be in the short term.

    But perhaps you need to read the whole article.

    https://johnmenadue.com/john-quiggin-socialism-with-a-spine-the-only-21st-century-alternative/

  37. Zathras

    The conservatives believe in privatisation because of their unshakeable ideological fantasy that private ownership is more efficient than public ownership.
    However experience has revealed that efficient is not the same as effective in almost all cases, especially when the motivation is based on profit rather than service.

    As for Call Centres, operators are usually constrained by following standard flow charts for standard problems. If they can’t solve your problem they go back to the top of the chart and try again and often you just get caught in a frustrating endless loop.

  38. jimhaz

    Call Centres = modern form of typing pool. Inhumane work, insufficient variety and over controlled.

  39. Harquebus

    I stated on another page that the NBN was being designed and built as a business to be flogged off and not as a public service. Ziggy Switkowski is last person that I would put in charge.

    “The costs of the NBN threaten the profitability of the telecommunications sector, but it’s a problem that stems from the government’s original business plan, both in the Labor and Coalition iterations of the project, not the technology that is being used to deliver internet, which requires the NBN to make a certain rate of return on the $50 billion infrastructure project.?
    http://www.afr.com/technology/web/nbn/were-still-expecting-genuine-discussions-on-nbn-pricing-accc-20171010-gyygny

    Someone somewhere mentioned a lack of NBN service in the bush.

    “NBN Co is facing increased competition from a growing band of grassroots telcos that are bringing superior high-speed internet services to regional and rural communities.”
    https://www.itnews.com.au/news/small-rural-telcos-surge-as-nbn-misses-mark-475083

    Joseph Carli
    Whatever it is that you are on, you need to lay off it for a while. You’re not making any sense at all.

    Zathras
    As I stated earlier, sending a signal a few kilometers to an exchange is not the same as sending it a few hundred meters to a node. The differences are ‘attenuation’ and ‘signal to noise ratios’ which affect the ‘baud rate’.

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