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Day to Day Politics: Ignorant bastards, aren’t they?

Saturday 13 May 2017

1 I hardly think it necessary to comment on the picture above. Every picture tells a story.

If the leader of the opposition as some commentators have said has been caught with his pants down then it didn’t show in Shorten’s Budget in reply speech.

Before I comment on it however allow me to digress. In the aftermath of any budget when people of knowledge have had time to peruse it at length, all manner of overlooked things are discovered. Like drug testing welfare recipients

I tend to judge more on the why of things. Was the decision made with the common good in mind or is it just purely political. As this budget was.

What it did highlight for me, now with time on my side, is just how bereft of ideas conservatives are. It was a budget based entirely on the ideas of those who oppose you. Some might say that in itself is a good idea, but it was also one that admitted that the past four years the country had been subjected to woeful governance. Don’t take my word for it just think about the extent to which they have back flipped.

Indeed, what a backflip it was from Scott Morrison who repeatedly told us since becoming Treasurer that we never had a revenue problem we had a spending problem. What a breathtaking turnaround. By inference he even admitted that his lecturing, in your face style hadn’t worked. He has even undergone a personality change.

An observation.

“You don’t tax your way to prosperity.”

The horror 2014 Budget that Tony Abbott still defends is now dead and buried. There will still be many Conservatives who will be livid with Scott Morrison’s Budget and in coming weeks we are likely to see much infighting about the ditching of historical conservative philosophy.

An observation.

”We never change until it gets to uncomfortable to stay the same.”

No more so than ex-leader and failed PM Abbott. The treasurer and Prime Minister have now admitted with, the composition of this budget, that Abbott and the government he led were complete failures. This budget among other things sought to remove all traces of the unfortunate Abbott /Hockey period of economic mismanagement. Abbott’s short term government will be remembered as the “debt and deficit disaster” government. He should just disappear into the past in which he belongs.

Not often I quote Andrew Bolt, but here goes:

Andrew Bolt (11/5/17)  ”Turnbull and the nation are ‘turning Left’ on the basis of insufficient austerity and new tax measures intended to ameliorate the deficit. In reality, however, Turnbull is hitting students and the unemployed hard. Students on half the minimum wage will pay thousands; and disadvantaged job seekers will have to exhaust their meagre savings before receiving Newstart only after a waiting period of 6 months.  Despite this the Budget does move the Government closer to the relative economic centre in the sense that overall cuts are ameliorated by comparison with the disastrous Hockey Budget of 2014.  And there is finally acceptance that there was ‘a revenue problem’. Ironically, the ”Abbott Purists” will likely claim the austerity has not gone far enough. Though they may be upset by the attacks on Catholic education.”

Would Abbott, Bolt and others have us drift into a US style scenario with a class of utterly destitute, and a class of working poor? It seems so.

Now back to Bill Shorten.

Shorten as I have previously said is not an orator but when you think about it neither were Abbott or Howard, but he has backbone. His best line was when he quipped how the PM and his colleagues were ”politely following this debate” when they all looked intoxicated and were ignorantly doing their best to ignore every word.

But oh well, after all, they were born to rule.

Shorten did however stay on script. Even after Turnbull had sought to take the middle ground by raiding bank profits, reinforcing Medicare, securing the NDIS, and building economy-enhancing infrastructure Shorten didn’t drop a line.

He did, even if the acting was bad, deliver his lines in rapid succession underling the many differences between the two parties. And this is true. Shorten spoke of conviction and values arguing that Turnbulls efforts to step into enemy controlled policy territory lacked sincerity and passion.

Despite Turnbull’s controversial attack on the big banks, with which he agreed, he insisted on still having a Royal Commission. And so far as the banks passing on the cost he  declared that if any bank passes on a dollar from the new tax, it should be the end of the PM and his treasurer.

When he latches on to the meat on an argument he displays his best and most forceful qualities. This was so when in the afternoon’s question time he was handed a gift when the Treasurer admitted that the planned tax cuts to business would cost an extra $15 billion. Mind you it has to be said that both parties are playing around with the issue knowing that the tax hikes will never pass the Senate.

Never the less he ridiculed the Treasury modelling as a pittance for workers: “We’re talking about an extra $2 a day … in 20 years’ time,” he said, contrasting “$65 billion for big business and ten bucks a week for workers in 2027.”

An observation.

”The problem is that Capitalism does not allow for an even flow of economic resources. With this system a small privileged few are rich beyond conscience and almost all others are doomed to be poor at some level.”

If Shorten and the party he leads were supposed to show fright by the conservative’s overnight appropriation of the middle ground of Australian politics then it didn’t show in Shortens often aggressive speech.

He may be taking a risk of ”class warfare” with his Medicare proposal to only levy people in the top two tax brackets. Together with Labor’s decision to keep the budget repair levy, it will be game on to win the political argument about budget fairness.

The tax rises will be used to frame the Coalition as more concerned about millionaires than the middle class.

2 It now seems that the funds the Government was going to loan Adani and they said they didn’t need, are now a requirement for the project going ahead.  It seems to me that with the mine likely to take some years to start production and renewable energy technology moving ahead at the speed of light why would any lending institution risk lending to an industry heading in the opposite direction.

3 From an article in The New York Times about the development of our internet:

”After a Liberal-led coalition was elected in 2013, that party looked for ways to contain costs and speed up the rollout. They focused on what in the telecommunications industry is called “the last mile” — the wires that connect a home or business with the broader network. While the National Broadband Network initially envisioned high-speed fiber connecting homes and businesses directly to the network, the Liberal-led effort compromised by connecting them with existing copper wire — basically, the same technology used in the earliest days of the telephone”.

I told you he would get away with it.

My thought for the day.

”Friends may leave your presence but their impression remains’.’

PS: It wasn’t just the intoxicating voice of Mark Colvin that kept one immersed in his subject. It was more likely his intelligence and stature among his peers.

 

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71 comments

  1. lawrencewinder

    Agreed, it was a decent speech by Short-stuff and I think Asbestos Bishop’s face for most of it was revealing. It had that resignation of recognising that her ruling rabble are stuffed. That they have managed to get away with being policy bereft (except for the IPA’s ideological thought bubbles) for 10 years and have no cogent narrative to present to the nation, unfortunately speaks worlds of the electorate’s intelligence.

    http://shanewombat.blogspot.com.au/2017/05/hi-ho-hi-ho-its-down-slippery-slope-we.html

  2. Trish Corry

    I tweeted the other day “Can a journalist please ask the Liberals why they are too stupid to come up with their own ideas” it needs to be asked. They have had one positive original reform I know of in my lifetime and that was Howard’s gun laws.

  3. Terry2

    Scott Morrison has doubled down on the coalition’s commitment to bring a 5% tax cut to big business next year which, of course, includes the very banks that are being hit with the budget bank ‘levy’.

    This new tax — or levy — is a tax on each banks’ liabilities and is calculated quarterly at 0.015 per cent which gives an annual rate of 0.06 per cent. It is expected the levy will raise between $1.5 billion and $1.6 billion each year, for four years. So roughly $6.2 billion in the forward estimates.

    Morrison has said that with the government’s policy, to reduce the corporate tax rate for major corporations from 30% to 25% next year, the new Levy will have little impact on bank earnings or shareholders equity.

    The banks have said that they will have to pass the cost of the levy onto customers but they haven’t said that when the 5% tax reduction is legislated that they will pass this saving onto customers : or maybe I missed that.

  4. John Kelly

    If ever we had proof that the LNP is a policy vacuum, this budget provides it.

  5. Kaye Lee

    One would think that the government would show some interest in the Budget reply speech but no. I too noticed how the whole front bench spent their time playing with their phones. I was disgusted, not only by the lack of respect, but by the blatant disregard for their job which is surely to listen to what the Opposition is proposing so you might have some idea of how to negotiate compromise to get your ideas through. They really couldn’t care less about actual governance. It’s all about the Punch and Judy show.

  6. Florence nee Fedup

    Things are hidden like a new tax on inefficient second class so called fast broadband.

  7. Florence nee Fedup

    Public outrage was so great Howard had no choice but bring in gun laws. Sadly doing so cemented him in as PM.

  8. Florence nee Fedup

    I suspect the truth is, they have been wrong to underestimate Shorten. The penny only dropping now, 4 years later.

    This showed during every question time this week.

    Watching QT, one sees a government that believes they have already lost next election.

    They have no idea of how to regain the political agenda, which they need to turn the polls about.

    They have been reduced to screaming, abusing all and sundry. Not only Opposition but all that mildly question them as well.

    It is my relief if ones raise their voice during argument or debate is a sign one has lost, is out of control.

  9. Helen Bates

    I watched Shortens budget speech and I thought he was pretty impressive but like most on this site it didn’t swing me enough to want to vote for him,still,credit where credit is due he seemed to speak with determination and authority and like he knew what he was talking about which is more than I can say for most of the politicians there.I think Malcolms budget is good enough to bring some back to his side and probably win him the next election now that he wil get some help from print Media and those on TV and radio

  10. helvityni

    They might have been playing with their phones, but they listened, especially Turnbull. The heads down was a deliberate show of contempt…Childish and shallow….

    I liked Shorten’s speech, never mind he is not a Whitlam-like orator; he spoke of things that matter, about education, unfair taxation, and even about Climate Change.

    Scott and Mal do not come across as sincere….one speaks fast, the other one waves his arms; together they make a wind turbine.

    Blowing in the wind, as they say…

  11. Kaye Lee

    Helen, I have to disagree. Hitting students and the unemployed whilst giving huge tax cuts to the wealthy? No mention whatsoever of climate change? No mention whatsoever anymore about the skyrocketing debt just some drivel about decreasing the rate of increase? Categorising spending on health and education as “bad debt” but spending hundreds of billions on weapons of war is “good debt”? Trying to sell the humiliation of welfare recipients as an act of “love”? Blatant pork barrelling of regional seats – Barnaby is purple with glee.

    Puhlease!

  12. helvityni

    To the manor born, giving few dollars to a poor homeless man, is an act of LOVE…! Methinks it’s just another photo- op…

  13. Henry Rodrigues

    Clearly and well analysed description of the government’s budget and Bill Shorten’s reply. Every point made was true, to the point and beyond, the beyond being the impression in the electorate. I personally know many Coalition voters who have now definitely swung to Labor. The Coalition despite capitulating and adopting many of Labor’s policies still do not engender that feeling of confidence or altruism that is vital for encouraging voters to accept their new found faith in ‘fairness’. Its shallow and it’s painted for the occasion, to be discarded when the show is over. Bill Shorten came across as very forceful and clear about what he and he party as on about, in marked contrast to the deviousness of the government. The coalition’s faces and their pretend indifference in the chamber gives the game away, They know they’re buggered and it shows. Go Bill, get rid of these fools.

  14. Helen Bates

    Kay Lee. I am taking this from people I have talked to and they seem to think the Turnbull budget was OK
    The Coalition’s latest financial blueprint has been released, and as expected, it’s full of cash stimulus to boost the economy (and the government’s poll numbers).

    http://indaily.com.au/news/2017/05/10/budget-2017-winners-losers/

    Of course there will always be winners and losers and it is the LNPs job to keep business turning and infrastructure moving on.
    I did try to go to many online sites such as this to see what opinion there was if Shorten had offered a vision but even though I thought he was impressive many of the online sites have in the main ignored Shorten and you would wonder {if you hadn’t seen it} whether Bill Shorten gave a reply or not.
    One independent site opposed to the LNP have had some 7 articles on Turnbulls Budget and to date not a mention of Shortens reply so it seems sites like this and other online sites didn’t think enough of Shortens reply to cover it
    This budget is enough for Malcolm to win some back and move forward so the polls next month should show that

  15. Freetasman

    I think that Richard Holden is spot on with his opinion about the budget
    (https://theconversation.com/budget-2017-bank-populism-will-be-paid-for-by-australians-77318)

    My only discrepancy with the comments and articles about the budget and the government policies is that they are under the opinion that the government do no know what are doing.
    I disagree, they are doing what it is in their agenda to suit their interest which not necessary are good for the country or good economic policies.
    Many conservative politicians and journalists criticize Bill Shorten and the Labor of starting a class war, but if there is a class war is by the government to look only after the wealthy.
    Going by the first poll after the budget it appears that the electorate finally starting to weak up and realize that the populist idea of penalizing the banks is not enough to hide the other policies that hit the working classes and students very hard.

  16. Mick Byron

    Helen Bates- I can understand your questioning the lack of coverage of the Bill Shorten Budget reply as it has been very poor .
    Even as an ALP member I didn’t know about the following
    From 1983 to 2013, the annual budget papers contained a statement about how the fiscal and financial decisions would affect women — either positively, or negatively.

    It was a tradition started by Paul Keating under Labor and continued right up until the election of Tony Abbott in 2013.
    There was no government statement of the budget’s impact on women in 2014. However, the ALP decided to continue the tradition from opposition.
    This year a morning tea to launch the “Women’s Budget Statement 2017”, held in the Labor Party rooms.

    It was a packed house of some 200 MPs and invited guests, Tanya Plibersek, Bill Shorten and Chris Bowen made brief speeches—

    seems it isn’t really worthy of much coveage by even progressive online sites

    Freetasman
    ALP ahead by 6? weren’t they 10 points ahead a week or two ago?
    Turnbull might be chipping his way back

  17. wam

    dear flo and hel a conundrum???
    flo and silent shorten have to hope the floor that the fleas perform on cools down by some process of osmosis and the realisation of incompetency will seep into the minds of the mindless.
    Hel is relying on the ‘truth’ as reported by murdoch’s papermen, the morning shows ratings rules and union/dole-bludger/terror threat to the australian culture.
    Who attracts the bets??
    good one helvityni there advisers were listening and they were there! (unlike labor supporters when important speeches are made standing alone talking to one man and hansard)

    ps Lord, what happened the mitch fifth’s $7.30 month tax on those with copper nbn fixed lines? Maybe labor could get the media using TAX not LEVY a la tax not price???
    pps trump’s assessments are based on his TRUTH and shows his amorality just like the rabbott absolutely true to their beliefs.

  18. Florence nee Fedup

    Doing it out of love is once more blaming victims that are unlucky in this day and age to fall ill, lose a job, be deserted or just growing old.

    In their eyes, all are responsible for their own plight. Up to this government mend them. Cure them, or just make them comply with the values of this government.

    They say it is only mutual obligation. No more about being a civilised society. If you don’t make it, too bad. Even have churches now that are all about money and wealth. The more you gather around you, the more god sees you as worthy.

    Protestants arose out of the movement to the industrial age. RC didn’t fit in. One needed rich man in his mansion, the poor at the gate.

    Neoliberal capitalism demands greed and individualism. All that PM claims his budget doesn’t count. Fairness, security and opportunity. , At least he has dropped rule of law and democracy.

  19. Freetasman

    Mick Byron, Essential Report 9/5 8 points,
    In the after budget poll by Chanel 7 the ALP is 8 points in front
    IMO the most important is the questions on the Skynews poll.

  20. Kronomex

    Looking at the photo at the top of the article, left to right:
    “Why doesn’t anyone like me?”
    “Oh god, the booze is wearing off.”
    “Zzzz…”
    Brain has switched off.
    “Six pieces of fruit with one swipe, yay.”
    Reading the Dick and Jane book of “Being A Treasurer” and drawing moustaches on Dick and Jane.

  21. Kaye Lee

    Helen,

    I am not sure where you are looking but there has been plenty of coverage of Shorten’s reply.

    He would restrict the medicare increase to those earning over $87,000 and keep the 2% deficit levy for those earning over $180,000.

    He would reverse the Medicare freeze immediately, restore the $22 billion the government has stripped from schools and another $600 million torn from TAFE..

    He would oppose funding cuts to universities and increases in student fees, as well as a superannuation housing deposit scheme outlined in the budget.

    He would cap the amount people can claim as a tax deduction for the management of their tax affairs at $3000 to stop people ‘exploiting holes’ in the net.

    He would rein in tax concessions on negative gearing and capital gains.

    And he would not give a $65 billion tax cut to multinationals who already refuse to pay their fair share.

    Morrison’s response…..

    “Bill dust.”

    What a nasty little child he is

  22. Möbius Ecko

    Morrison was paying attention to Shorten, and was taking notes. He has a pen and notepad in his hands, not a phone as Bishop has.

    My query is to why Morrison, as the third most senior minister and whose budget is being replied to, isn’t on Turnbull’s left? Why is Pyne there? The Foreign Minister is senior to him.

    It says a lot that Turnbull allows Pyne to be in the direct firing line of a speech about the budget and has Morrison, the Treasurer, off to the side.

  23. Matthew Oborne

    Whilst coming out is more related to people admitting a sexuality it has always meant other things as well, like finally acknowledging an issue someone was previously not wanting to acknowledge. In this respect the Liberals are going back into the closet. That was originally why the Liberal party started in the first place. Conservative politics had become toxic during Menzies time so the abandoned the conservative United Australia Party and conservatives went into the closet. camouflaging conservative ideals in a more liberal vehicle.

    Howard was the one who took the conservatives out of the closet again and it only took 21 years for them to realise again that conservative politics can not operate openly in this country and succeed. Like the trickle down rubbish they are still trying to pursue.

    With the 2007 backlash of a five percent swing many thought it would take a generation for the Libs to return, Desperate times obviously called for a conservative redneck revolution in the minds of conservatives.

    This was clearly their time so they thought.

    Now they will pursue conservative ideals hidden and tempered by other measures to placate a public sick of far right politics.

    Whether this latest conversion will stick is really up to the feral far right.

  24. jim

    “I was disgusted, not only by the lack of respect, but by the blatant disregard for their job which is surely to listen to what the Opposition is proposing so you might have some idea of how to negotiate compromise to get your ideas through. They really couldn’t care less about actual governance. It’s all about the Punch and Judy show”. Didn’t you know this is how the “adults” do their tirelessly hard work.

  25. Kaye Lee

    What will Abbott do? I would imagine he is fuming. He looks pissed (in both senses of the word)

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/content/dam/images/g/w/1/a/o/m/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gw14g7.png/1494502977604.jpg

  26. helvityni

    When Bill mentioned Cayman Island, there was a quick angry glance from one of them… 🙂

    Florence, they are so full of love and care, they love even the unlovable…

    As for Ms Julie, she is ALWAYS fiddling with her phone, even when Mal is speaking…

    I wasn’t going to watch Shorten, but I did, and I’m so glad I did… It’s what you say that matters, not how eloquently you express yourself…Menkel, Howard, Helen Clarke…

  27. Keyser Soze

    They’re ALL the same, Tax.Tax.Tax, Rob,Thieve, Lie……..

    This country has ample wealth for everyone if it was truely shared.
    The former public utilities, now privatised are a licence to print money for overseas bankers.
    We are spending 35 Billion on new F-35 Fighters that are total lemons. Someone got the white envelope slipped into the coat pocket there.
    We are all being robbed blind with our natural resources.

    In Brazil they’ve got free education, from the beginning until the end. Universities are 100% FREE. It’s totally free, most brazilians choose to study in free universities, but, they have got free and private universities, but the free universities are usually better than the private ones so… And, Brazil have got the LARGEST and BIGGEST universal healthcare in the world. IT’S TOTALLY FREE. Even medicines you can get for free if you can’t afford, even surgeries are free. Oh and public transports are FREE for students, food is also free for students in schools, colleges or universities……….and they call us the lucky country?

  28. Freetasman

    Keyser, I born in South America and I can telling you that there are more dark points in Brazil now than positive ones.
    I rather live in Australia than in Brazil.
    WE are lucky but we are pushing our luck big time indeed and it will run out if we are not careful.

  29. Mick Byron

    Keyser Soze I echo what Freetasman says
    By 2013, the most recent year on World Bank’s poverty stats for Brazil, 9.7 million Brazilians were struggling to survive on $1.90 a day, dropping to just 4.8% of the population, according to the World Bank.Sep 12, 2016
    The institute’s social policy center estimates that the country’s poverty rate jumped from 8.3 percent to 10 percent between 2014 and 2015, an increase that Neri says accelerated further this year.
    The social security network that had provided some relief to the nation’s poorest is showing signs of crumbling as well, as the recession eroded tax revenue and forced several states to declare a state of financial emergency.

    Battered by a debt crisis, Rio de Janeiro state recently shut down most of the so-called citizen restaurants that served a basic meal for 2 reais ($0.60).

  30. Möbius Ecko

    Kaye Lee very telling that Abbott is wearing a black tie instead of his perennial blue one, unless he was genuinely honouring the death of someone.

    jim at 10:51 am. As I stated Morrison was paying attention to Shorten, often studiously looking up and taking notes. Still the occasional smirk of derision could be seen.

    The biggest act of downright disrespect was done by John Howard, when he as PM deliberately turned his back for the entire duration of Simon Crean’s brilliant maiden parliamentary speech as leader of the Labor Party. I believe this is the first and only time a PM has turned their back on an opposition leader’s maiden parliamentary speech.

  31. MichaelW

    While I agree with Shortens reply to the budget, I think he needs speech therapy, or acting lessons. I cringed a few times during his speech, seems to put on a false voice/act, maybe he should just learn to just be himself.

  32. Kaye Lee

    MichaelW,

    I agree. Bill is nowhere near as good when he rehearses. His delivery smacks of practising in front of the mirror. The studied pauses, the next phrase rushed to make it sound sincere and from the heart…it makes me cringe too. When he went on Q&A solo, no other panellists, and honestly answered the questions thrown at him, he was magnificent.

    Watch Angela Merkel speak….none of the theatrics we see from our pollies. Likewise Teresa May – I may not agree with what she is saying but she isn’t putting on a show. Have you noticed how Turnbull has adopted the slightly side on pose nowadays as he pokes his glasses at us and postures about the place. Can none of them just talk normally?

  33. Freetasman

    Why he will need to take acting lessons? We need genuine leaders not the ones that act to masking their real ideas.
    Interesting comments, “need to rehearse to sound sincere?
    Bill shorten among others in the ALP leadership have neoliberal ideology and this ideology can only be pushed to a limit to just look moderate that it is all.

  34. johnlord2013

    Bill needs to learn the value of a pause in public speaking.

  35. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    I think Shorten’s Budget Reply was good because it showed up how Morrison’s Budget had just appropriated ideas from Labor and the Greens Opposition.

    See Di Natale’s Budget Reply, which was only showed on the internet at the same time 7.30 was interviewing Shorten. So much for Democracy in Australia! https://www.facebook.com/senatordinatale/posts/812286765529586

  36. Freetasman

    I guess that the media will give preference to One Nation to reply the budget if any of its members have the brains to do it.
    Will be good IMO so the 10% of the party supporter can see the difference between Richard and Pauline.

  37. Mick Byron

    Jennifer Meyer-Smith
    They didn’t cover Di Natale as the OPPOSITION have the right of reply.Di Natale might have something to say but realistically so then would Nick Xenophon Team NXT, One Nation and each individual Independent or do you think a spokesperson for the group? but that wouldn’t suit your democracy so Lambie,Katter, etc all should get a chancewith your scenario.Where would it end.
    The concept is to give the Opposition {the alternate Government} a right of reply,that being Shorten

  38. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Did you watch Di Natale’s Reply I posted?

  39. Kaye Lee

    JMS your link is to his response to the 2015 budget?

  40. Mick Byron

    Jennifer Meyer-Smith-No what would be the point as he isn’t the Opposition and isn’t likely to be. To be fair I wouldn’t listen to NXT,Lambie,One Nation etc either as they are not and unlikely to be Opposition or a future government.Their opinion is about as valuable as mine and whatever the issue they raise it won’t come to fruition,but I guess it gives them an opportunity to get things off their chest

  41. Freetasman

    Mick, IMHO if any of them have control in the senate they are able to negotiate policies which it is what an opposition does.
    So, as the senate is now The Greens together with NXT can vote with the ALP or the Coalition to get what they want .
    Now, by reading the Greens policy the voters can have an idea of which policies can be negotiated or opposed.

  42. Mick Byron

    Like this?
    It seems Di Natale is under the hammer on Twitter

    Check it out… the @TeachersFed have listed how much #Gonski funding your school will lose under a #Greens / #Liberal dirty deal.
    TALAOLP‏ @Talaolp 5h5 hours ago
    Replying to @rodgerrodgersu @GCobber99

    That is bad he has broken ranks. Instead of #greens using the moment to gain support, they chose to attack whole of @AustralianLabor Lost me
    0 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    Left of Labor‏ @Left_of_Labor 1h1 hour ago

    Left of Labor Retweeted Andrew Giles MP

    Why vote #Greens when their apologists are telling people that #Labor with fix the $22B cuts when elected.
    Andrew Giles MP‏ @andrewjgiles

    Andrew Giles MP Retweeted I give a Gonski

    This the most profound failing of the Lib #gonski rip-off. Surely the Greens can’t join in this betrayal of our kids, their future? #auspol

    84% of public schools would be underfunded in 10 years and 65% of private schools overfunded and you still support Turnbull @sarahinthesen8?

  43. Terry2

    Kaye Lee

    What will Abbott do?

    As a man of principle, he will resign from the parliament forthwith, get a job and put politics behind him ……..Not 🙂

  44. diannaart

    Not listening to other parties’ budget ideas because they are not the opposition or not in power ????

    Dear Malcolm,

    You place too much hope in the idea of an innovative nation.

    Apparently learning from others and/or collaborating together is just not the done thing.

    Regards

    Dianna

  45. Matters Not

    Mick Byron while Labor can claim credit for Gonski they still have lots of work to do if they are to rescue their botched implementation.

    Both the State and Commonwealth Government contribute to the funding of schools. It’s similar to what happens with the funding of Health. As you would probably know, there is constant ‘cost shifting’ between the two levels of government in Health – as to who pays for what. It’s why a crucial recommendation of Gonski was the necessity to:

    establish a national schools resourcing body, similar to a schools commission, responsible to all education ministers, to determine in a nationally consistent way the school resourcing standard, the minimum public contribution, the loadings and the indexation factor.

    Certainly it was a politically difficult task. But an essential one. Labor didn’t even try. Instead:

    the Labor government sought to negotiate those matters unilaterally and separately with the state authorities, non-government school organisations, church leaders and unions

    Shorten was Education Minister at the time. He did the deals. All tactics and no strategy. In the final few weeks of the Labor government, it touted Gonski around the country in an unholy scramble to entice states to sign up to deals in which the fundamental principles were entirely secondary. And he ‘pork barrelled’ the Catholics in particular. All in all, 27 plus separate deals. It’s why the Catholics are now up in arms. Birmingham is trying to bring them back to the funding model. But they have their ‘lolly’ and they are not going to give it up.

    While Labor might have their heart in a Gonski (the LNP crtainly don’t – it’s all ‘show’) they missed a valuable opportunity because of political expediency. Now we have to wait and see what Boston, the brains behind the original Gonski, can rescue. Already he’s under attack from Donnelly et al.

    Words are not enough. Action is required

  46. Mick Byron

    Labors Gonski may not have been perfect and was a work in progress but with the Greens likely to be aiding and abetting the LNP in ripping $22 billion from it all that will be left is a carcass for Labor to fix in 2018/19

  47. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Thanks Freetasman @ 2.07pm and enlightening reminder, Matters Not @ 5pm.

  48. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Mick Byron,

    your concern is fair enough but this is yet another example of where Labor and the Greens should be working together to exact the correct equitable outcome for all Australian schools.

    That ALLiance should be already established so every issue is not another excuse to fire insults at each other.

  49. Andreas Wagner

    JMS, agree with your line of thinking, however, as the Murdoch press through a long term persistent campaign of dis-information, scaremongering and outright lies has made the term “Green’ appear to be poison for large tracts of the sheeples, this alliance you espouse is never going to happen, unless a reformed Labor Party can go back to its roots, present a invigorating platform and then come up with a charismatic leader.

  50. Mick Byron

    Jennifer Meyer-Smith the Greens in negotiation with the LNP to rip $22 billion from education and the previous deal to give us a Senate full of One Nation and other odd bods could mean a cozy ALLiance shaping up as a Greens/LNP consortium.The ALP will be fighting the education cuts not colluding with the Greens, likely perpetrators of the cuts

  51. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Andreas Wagner,

    they are definitely the imperatives for a reformed Labor Party starting now and like you I hope the eventuality is sooner rather than later.

    However, I’m an impatient person so until the best result of that complete purge eventuates, residual Labor luminaries (who are not weak-bellies to Murdoch media) and Greens people must work out mutually beneficial political grounds where they can collaborate and work fruitfully together to establish equitable policy expectations and strategies, for the common good of the Australian Public.

    The rewards will be knowing they’ve done the right thing by us … plus incidentally a massive landslide against the Liberal Party and the National Party throughout Australia.

    Better targeted resources will help to break up their assorted strongholds even in rural areas that identify Bananababy’s grovelling to Big Biz at their land and water interests’ expense.

  52. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Mick Byron,

    did you not read MN’s explanation for why some school funding needs re-distribution now, as hard as it might seem to the schools involved?

  53. Freethinker

    Mick Byron, I would suggest to ignoring the press and get the information from the proper sources.

    Quote:
    Statement from Australian Greens education spokesperson Senator Sarah Hanson-Young:

    I would like to clarify the Greens position on the government’s schools funding bill.

    The Greens have not yet made a decision on the Government’s schools legislation.
    The Australian Greens Party Room is carefully considering this matter and will be consulting widely on this in coming weeks. Parents and teachers can rest assured that we are rock solid in our support for public schools and fair, needs-based funding.

    We understand there are concerns with the Government’s proposal; which is why we called for a senate inquiry, to consider the evidence from key stakeholders, the AEU, education experts and our party members across the country before making a decision on schools funding legislation.

    Our key principles are our strong support for our public schools, our commitment to a genuine needs-based model that looks after needy schools and kids, and we want more investment in funding, not cuts.

    The Senate’s role as a house of review is more critical now than ever, so we will scrutinise this legislation thoroughly before making any vital decisions about our children’s education.

    We will reserve our position until we’ve heard the evidence in the upcoming inquiry.

  54. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Freethinker,

    please provide a citation for that quote so I can post it on Twitter where the NSW Teachers Federation is going great guns trying to besmirch the Greens’ position on Gonski #2

  55. Freethinker

    Jennifer it come from the official site: http://greensmps.org.au/articles/statement-australian-greens-position-government-education-package

    I know that you do your research properly but it is not the case in many people that just read the news that in many cases it is distord.
    Also i never go for what one member of a party said in the news and try to get the official policies.
    In all the parties not necessary their members have the same views and until the policies are not official their views are only personal.

  56. RonaldR

    Reason our Government is such a mess is the Australian People know nothing about the people they vote for as nothing improves with Labor or Liberal as they both serve the same foreign masters , then you have the Greens -more Greens are the last thing we need . I find the worst Sheeple are the members of the Liberals , ALP & Greens they just believe what they are told with out checking that it is true. The Members of the Greens don’t know who created the Green Movement and why they created it. But it was created on If the Lie is big enough they will believe it and they believe lie after lie from those at the Top of the Green movement, They don’t even know who created the Australian Greens and its Sister organisation. As far as Labor Supporters they don’t realize the Party was hijacked in the first half of the 80’s . But all these people that vote no more about their Favorite sporting team than the Team of bastards they vote to run the Country.

  57. Freethinker

    Knowing which political party (or better a pretend political party) you support you should be that last in posting that comments.

  58. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    RonaldR,

    sometimes you speak sense when it is a half truth or undeniable fact …

    … but sadly not this time when denigrating the Greens so badly. You are just a LNP or other such nutter troll. 🙁

  59. Freethinker

    No Jennifer, he is not a LNP supporter, worse that them, he support a party that think that global warming or climate change it is a fraud.
    Say no more.

  60. Matters Not

    The problem with The Greens, the LNP, and yes the ALP is they don’t seem to understand the basic PRINCIPLES. And that applies to the MSM as well who don’t have the incentive to really understand Gonski and the implications of needs based funding.. They don’t seem to understand also what is needed to ‘operationalise’ those principles.

    If State X for example spends Y dollars on each child in (let’s say) a public school while State M chooses to spend only half Y dollars on their students, there’s an ‘equity’ problem in relation to resource access.. Turnbull has promised to pick up 20% of the bill. Immediately, the States will see an opportunity to reduce their expenditure in the hope they will force the Commonwealth to raise their contribution so as to compensate. And on and on it will go.

    Here’s a possible solution – albeit in rough form.

    The Commonwealth Labor Government will promise to provide Z dollars (on a needs basis) to each student in all States and Territories but only if each State will commit to providing a (calculated on a needs basis) M dollars. Each State can, of course, opt in or opt out as is their constitutional right. But those States who choose to remain ‘independent’ will receive no Commonwealth funding, or at best only basic Commonwealth funding. The political decision is theirs. As will be the political consequences.

    Too simple I know. But let’s put some political muscle into the choices.

  61. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Sounds like it touches all the bases, MN. So worth considering.

  62. Freethinker

    IMO the best solution is for the Federal government to be responsible in providing the funds for all levels of education. As it is now is a mess.
    Free education works in many countries without the political fuss that happens here.

  63. wam

    wow freethinker pretty sure nobody trusts murdochians'(or the uhlmannites’) opinions of labor or the diludbransims but not to trust their own words is in my bailiwick since the loonies have dropped honesty for the pragmatic approach the words are ‘loaded.
    . Good to see SHY back, leash still there but gag gone??

    ps the trump way to handle media:
    no live briefing just written statements – heard one say why don’t they just get their story straight
    better hope there are no tapes before leaks – wow trump judging the head of the FBI by his standards.

    The next 4 years are going to be fantastic especially as a perennial anarchist, as the septics leaked their prime hacking tool

  64. Freethinker

    wam, I have not made the comment in support of the present or pass federal governments, is the current system that does not work.
    I am firm believer of free education in all levels so I do not support the polices of both parties.

  65. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    wam,

    you failed the other day to explain to me the origins of the word “diludbransims” you love to use repeatedly. Please explain now.

  66. Jai Ritter

    RonR is that you Malcolm Roberts?

  67. wam

    Jennifer,
    sorry I write to clear my own head from the point of supporting the green view since the lake peddar where my big sister kept me informed she walked in and sent unbelievable pictures sadly gone with tracy.
    di man
    lud man
    bran man
    sims man
    since trumble it has been all greenmen
    The party website full of female spokespersons. The caucus full of male spokespersons

    I coined it after the honest SHY copped an unfair pasting in the media and dinatale’s grab for pragmatic power with facebook releases from brandt and the boys falling all over themselves in the elevation of simms and before ludlam’s illness

    But the real driver was from my casual observation that the women no longer were visible or heard making comments.

  68. wam

    oops I got whacked – lake Pedder. sorry Jannifer.

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