‘Adult Crime Adult Time’
The Queensland LNP have a policy (just the one !) which they believe will sweep them into government come the 26 October state election. They have taken their lead from the Northern Territory CLP where it’s all about crime and punishment – mainly Aboriginal crime although that is thinly veiled.
The Queensland LNP have adopted the slogan ‘Adult Crime Adult Time’ which means in the Qld context ten year olds could be convicted to serve adult sentences as in Queensland the minimum age of criminal responsibility is currently10 (Queensland Criminal Code Act 1899, Section 29).
At the present time LNP advertising is being beamed out across the state with LNP hopeful David Crisafulli looking very sternly at the camera and telling us that under an LNP government it will be ‘Adult Crime, Adult Time’. That seems to be the only LNP policy that is discernibly different to the ALP. Even the LNP are opposed to the Dutton nuclear energy power rollout.
After lambasting the fifty cent public transport trial introduced by Labor – now to be a permanent fixture – the LNP have gone very quiet and now quietly acknowledge that they have had a rethink and will not now reverse this policy which they had previously believed to be recklessly extravagant and wasteful : they now support the policy and the Greens actually want to have free public transport – well they would wouldn’t they ?
It has, in all respects proved to be a winning policy from Labor and probably the most effective cost of living boost for working people introduced by any Australian government in recent times – expect to see other states following this lead.
In my own circle of friends I am aware of a working single mother who brought down her daily commuting cost from $7.50 to one dollar putting an extra $32.50 a week into her household budget which, as her rent recently increased, was very well received. Some savings to the family budget have been significantly higher
In addition we are seeing less vehicles on city roads as motorists respond to the public transport enticement and savings available.
But, Newscorp and SKY After Dark won’t have a bar of it and tell us that it’s time for Labor to be shown the door because we need a change and that’s according to ‘Can-Do’ Campbell Newman who some of you may remember with a shiver up the spine.
I have just received my electricity bill for the September quarter and for the first time ever it is nil, with a carry over credit meaning that the December quarter will also be Zero. This is due to the profligate and wasteful Labor party having granted all electricity users in Queensland a $1000 cost of living gratuity which is then added to the $300 federal power initiative on electricity bills applied quarterly.
Clearly it’s time that we got rid of Labor in Queensland in October and federally next year : how much of the reckless profligacy do we have to put up with ?
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leefe
Return to home pageCrisafulli is one of those overvalued scribbling yabbering posturing types unfit for telling even one other person what to do and why. Why do these turds get up, on and in political party surges, except for egotistical reasons, the posing and pocket money, prestige and pickings?? Had Jo B-J, an arch-crook, died in jail, I’d believe in a little sincerity here. Crisafulli has stood behind policy and personnel that has been Anti-Australian, uncivilised, probably illegal, with Dutton, Morrison,. B Joyce and others typical of filthy insincerity, egofixated activities, wrongful policy initiatives. Australia is worse off for brainless conservatism. Queensland produces a queue of them back over the horizon of history, deficient brimming bedpan boneheaded bores. ( remember C Newman?? spew.)
Mr Pryor speaks the plain unvarnished truth. What makes me sad is that there are millions of boneheaded Queensland troglodytes who will vote for the LNP, just as years ago they voted for that sink of stinking corruption Joh BP.
What these morons and the people who support and believe their rubbish don’t/won’t understand is that a 10/11/12/13/14 year old brain is not the same as an 18 year old brain (I chose 18 as that is the legal age for an adult, but I’d argue that a lot if not most 18 year olds don’t have an adult brain either).
Cristofailllie has a lot of people sucked in, just like spewman did a few years ago – and just look at how that went.
Yes, there probably is a youth crime problem, but adult crime adult time will not fix it, and guess who will be paying for the extra prisons that will be required. In 2018, the Australian Institute of criminology estimated that the cost per prisoner per day was about $390.
I still think that the problem stems from the parents. If they were doing their job of teaching their kids properly the kids wouldn’t be getting in to trouble at such early ages. You want adult time for an adult crime, fine, then give the irresponsible parents the adult time, then they will have plenty of time to contemplate their mistakes in raising/ignoring their children.
I have received both state and federal government cost of living credits on my electricity account, totalling a sufficient amount to cover my usage for at least a year. Pity the house is being sold and there’s a good chance I’ll be homeless by the end of May …
John:
It’s hard to be an effective parent when you never had one yourself and nor did your parents or grandparents. It’s a viciously expanding circle caused by the invasion of this land and the dispossession and marginalisation of its original inhabitants.
But, sure, chuck ’em all in the clink and let ’em rot there, out of sight and out of the way.
I’m so sorry leefe. It’s an awful situation, one I’ve never seen before in my lifetime and know that my grandchildren are likely never going to know the security of their own home. I curse neoliberalism and the insatiable greed that turned the family home into an enrichment commodity-without-actual-work. So many layers of society and government have created this and will continue supporting it. Voting in another LNP government is the absolute worst we could do for ourselves. At least in Queensland. Elsewhere, there’s little difference between LNP and Labor. Neither work for the people of Australia, with the exception of our current Labor government in Queensland.
The best thing Anastacia did, was resign, in my opinion.
It’s an absolute tragedy that the Greens in the Senate saw fit to block the passage of the ‘Help to Buy’ scheme under which you would be able to buy a house, unit or townhouse by contributing a minimum 2% deposit, with the government providing an equity contribution of up to 40% for new homes, or 30% for existing homes.
The Greens were unhappy that this scheme, in its early years, would only provide funding for forty thousand families and first homebuyers in the first four years with the probability of expanding the scheme thereafter.
Leefe I don’t know your situation but I do have grandchildren who would benefit hugely from a scheme of this sort but due to political intransigence and opportunism on the part of the Greens and outright bloody mindedness from the coalition the opportunity may never arise.
This is a good example of what Lucy Ham was talking about here. The mixture of formula spin and its process.
Find something that triggers the rubes then put yourself in their faces as a rescuer. Only solution- : jail the varmints. Never touch on tax rorting of course, for example, as an example of crime, rather than some aboriginal kid giving you a mouthful for harassing them. Keep banging it into the heads of the plebs and there you go, half-baked instant issue out of nothing.
It is astounding that Queenslanders don’t think beyond penal attitudes, but is suppose it’s understandable given that’s the way the ball rolled since the colonizers moved in there.
Patently, the biggest issue Qld has is the toxification of folk there for generations, by drunken inebriate power mongers from the old Dart, and setlled there begrudgingly from the first days.
None so besotted retain the skill of navigating cause and effect, except for as long as it takes to get the cup to the lip. Add to that generations of killings, beatings, suppression, oppression, abuse and separation of blacks.
The main problem Qld has is health, or should I say, ill-health. Generations of it increasing its manifestation in generations of children. Locking them up will not in any way help them with their inheritance of mind and body abuse, from alcohol, to DDT, sheep and cattle tick dip, old agent orange (245-T), lead poisoning, PFAS, and ‘she’ll be right, mate’, and on and on it goes.
But of course, in Qld, it appears that coarseness and blame of ‘others’ remains in politics to the extent it is encouraged and remains in some reaches of the community.
As was discussed in the 2022 series, The Australian Wars, the most egregious behaviour towards the indigenous people happened in Queensland and across the top of the continent.
Seems nothing’s changed. And kicking the undertrodden is, of course, a favourite pastime of politicians of certain stripes along with trotting out the old tart, Laura Norder, appealing as she does to the lazy minded.
Terrence:
There are aspects to the scheme that are good; others I’m not so sanguine about. I can understand why the Greens think it’s not good enough, but I can’t see anyone in power actually biting the bullet and doing what needs to be done to increase available housing stock and stabilise prices for both rent and purchase so it may be the best we can hope for.
Gutting my super would give me a bit over a quarter of the asking price for this place. If the government would kick in another 30%, that’s just over half covered. Now, just to find some one who will give a mortgage to a 67yr old pensioner …
leefe
It’s the old story, allowing the good to be sacrificed in a quest for the perfect.
Don’t forget there is also the Affordable Housing Future Fund that will pump in $500 million a year indexed, in perpetuity for the construction of affordable community housing ; again the Greens delayed it for many months looking for the perfect. The coalition just want a fight and to go to the next election and say that the government has done nothing about affordable housing.
My own view is that within three years we will have levelled the playing field on housing and supply will be meeting and perhaps exceeding demand once we get over the hangover from two years of Covid inertia.
The problem then will be that housing prices will start to drop and you will hear a crescendo of wailing from those who end up with negative equity because they overborrowed or find that real estate doesn’t just keep going up. But that’s for another day.
Terence Mills. The Greens were correct in their actions, which, by the way, wasn’t blocking the legislation at all, as you well know. They gave Labor 2 months to negotiate, something Labor is loathe to do, since they believe it’s their way or the highway and throw a tanty when expected to do more. The Help to Buy Scheme will help such a small number and not necessarily those who are most in need, but that’s Neoliberalism for you, I guess. Give as little as possible to the people, and only those they deem “qualified,” to shut them up, and pretend you’re doing something marvellous. It’s not. Australia deserves much, much more and better.
BJ
The Greens had the opportunity to ‘negotiate’ as they call it from the time the legislation passed the lower house in February until the legislation was presented to the Senate in September.
To you forty thousand families, all first home buyers may not be much but at least it’s a start and the scheme can be opened up once the glitches have been ironed out.
The Greens sought to have a vote in the senate, not to have a vote on the legislation : I call that blocking. They were successful in that strategy so we have zero progress just a further two months delay. Some suggest that the Greens didn’t want to see any progress on housing before the Qld election in October – sounds cynical to me !
Australia deserves much, much more and better – there we agree.
Well, it looks as though the slogan Adult Time for Adult Crime and the incessant advertising worked for the LNP in Queensland, as it did for the CLP in the NT.
So, in comes an LNP government for the next four years.
An acquaintance of mine was very pleased with the result and seemed surprised when I didn’t share his pleasure.
“We have to tackle juvenile crime and that can only be done by reducing the age for criminal responsibility, adult time for adult crime” he beamed.
I asked him what he considered was the right age for adult criminal responsibility to apply to kids in Queensland.
‘Ten’ he snapped back.
Guess what the age for criminal responsibility is in Queensland and has been for at least a hundred years……………TEN !
CRIMINAL CODE Act 1899 (Qld) – SECT 29
Immature age
(1) A person under the age of 10 years is not criminally responsible for any act or omission.
(2) A person under the age of 14 years is not criminally responsible for an act or omission, unless it is proved that at the time of doing the act or making the omission the person had capacity to know that the person ought not to do the act or make the omission.
PS : Perhaps the LNP slogan should have been ‘never give a sucker an even break’
PPS : In my electorate of HILL we re-elected the bloke from KAP – go figure !
@ Terence.
At least we know they will only be in for 4 years as they seem likely to emulate the last LNP government here.
As for “adult crime adult time”, I’d like to know:
a) where are they going to incarcerate these kids?,
b) who will be paying for the new facilities (buildings/staff/facilities etc.) that will be needed to jail them?,
c) where will the staff for the facilities come from – we already have a shortage of teachers, nurses, counsellors in the general community?
d) in the interim will they be in the same jails as adults?,
e) what about counselling, health care, education etc, or will they just be let out at the end of their jail term, having learned nothing useful about how to be better citizens (whatever that means).
Given that the new ministers will be working under kpi’s (apparently), I wonder how long the new police minister will last when this cocked-up plan is put into effect.
Looks like a major building project coming up with new prisons to house those kids doing adult time for adult crimes.
Strangely, in the Netherlands prisons are being closed as non custodial sentences are preferred for many offences with suspended sentences and community work being given. This has resulted in a dramatic drop in re-offending, with the added benefit that the convicted people do not loose their jobs, do not become estranged from family and friends and continue a more normal life knowing that the slightest infraction will lead to imprisonment.
I say strangely, because while this should all make sense, we seem to love punishment when a different approach may just offer better solutions.
Terence:
… unless it is proved that at the time of doing the act or making the omission the person had capacity to know that the person ought not to do the act or make the omission.
So they’ve reversed the onus of proof? How on earth is a child supposed to proove that they didn;t realise what they were doing (or not doing) was wrong?