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One Nation Voters – Hate the Worker. Hate the Poor

This is the third article in a series which discusses how the One Nation Party leaders promote themselves compared to who they really are. Through this article I will discuss how One Nation is attacking the worker and the poor.  I am asking One Nation voters to reconsider their vote.

Anecdotally and through observation of social media engagement; One Nation Voters do not represent the elite and wealthy class in Australia. The majority of One Nation voters appear to be either working lower to middle class or recipients of full or part welfare payments.

Other suggestions have been that this party is also the third party choice of ex-Palmer United Party voters. Voters for Palmer were identified as low socio-economic, suburban and rural voters, low education status, unemployed or working part time.

One Nation has decided to support the ABCC (Australian Building and Construction Commission) and six billion dollars worth of cuts to welfare.

Hate for the Worker

The support for the ABCC will see a return of a star chamber style inquiry for workers who may stop work due to safety breaches (including deaths in the workplace). There is a punitive motive behind this commission.  That is to deter workers from striking. By sending the message that they will may be fined or jailed if they stop work. The Government is protecting the profits of business.

The worker will have less rights than a murderer, rapist or drug dealer. They will not be entitled to a lawyer and they will not have the right to silence. They can go to jail if they refuse to answer questions.

For One Nation voters reading this, is this the type of workplace you want for either yourself, your family, friends or your children?  How will you cope when your seventeen year old apprentice tradie is facing jail time? Facing jail because they chose to stop work because someone died from an incident on site? One Nation supports that the worker should keep working. They support this even if this means the hazard has not been controlled. They support this even if the workers may be in danger.

Here is what your support for this party, along with Coalition voters will bring to workers:

Does One Nation represent their working voters?

I get that there are many people out there who absolutely hate the worker and hate unions. These people normally support the Liberal and National Parties and Family First. I find it difficult to reconcile that One Nation voters would support a bill that endangers the life of workers. Or vote to see them jailed. I find it hard to reconcile that many people in this group fought hard against the VLAD laws under Newman in QLD, and would support a party that takes away the civil rights of the worker.

Abbott and Turnbull have worked their hardest to bash unions and create a lot of distrust. The existence of unions isn’t some fun game where you get to join in to bash unions. Unions have a legitimate purpose in the workplace. One of their key responsibilities is to ensure the employer provides a safe working environment. A safe working environment means you go home the same (or better) than you went to work.

I think there are a lot of people out there who should be standing up and on the side of the worker and unions. However for some reason choose the side of the elite and the wealthy. Why?

You are now a part of this

As a voter of One Nation, I have heard you say time and time again, that you “Stand up for Australians.” Well where is your empathy for working Australians? Where was your outcry the last few weeks when five workers died in construction and transport?  Where is your attack on Pauline Hanson and her ilk? *Crickets*

Voting isn’t a game. Vote with your heart and your head. The support of this bill will ruin the lives of hard working Australians and you are now a part of that.

The harsh reality that One Nation voters will need to face, along with Liberal and National party voters, is that workers will die because of this bill.

If you voted for One Nation in the faith that they would be good for the “Average Australian” please start taking a lot of notice of what they support in the Senate and reconsider your vote.

Hate for the Poor

The other plan that Pauline Hanson announced that they are supporting, is six billion dollars of cuts to welfare.

In a nutshell, this is taking money away from anyone who receives family payment, all pensioners (including veterans) and families who have just had a baby.  In addition, if you lose your job you will need to wait for four weeks for any unemployment benefit. Some who live week to week will get kicked out of rental accommodation. They will not be able to afford food. They will not be able to even purchase items for hygiene such as soaps, shampoo or women’s sanitary products, which are essential, not a luxury item.

This will increase homelessness, poverty and crime. Having no money for phone or transport will actually make it harder for people to find work. This then makes it easier for the Government to punish people and cut them off unemployment for longer periods.

The original period was six months and Labor, the Greens and Jackie Lambie fought against this and now the Government is ‘compromising’ and have changed it to four weeks.

Here is a video about poverty in Australia. Pauline Hanson thinks that by making poverty worse, it will force people to get a job. You know and I know that, that is a ridiculous way to look at the world. Especially if you have lived it or are living it. Especially when you know that there are 19 jobseekers for every job.

I am absolutely livid. Why aren’t you?

I know people who voted for Hanson understand what it is like to live week to week. I know they know what a struggle that is. Imagine at the end of that week when you are checking your bank every five minutes – there is another three weeks to go. What would you do?  What is the party you voted for supporting?  I am asking you very sincerely to really think about this. Please put yourself in their shoes, if they are not your own. I am asking you to have empathy for these people and I want to know why you are not angry – because I am livid.

Pauline Hanson is not standing up for Australians. It is time to have a think about whether she is just another politician who has pulled the wool over the eyes of voters. It is time to think about what her real motives are.

I am targeting Pauline Hanson and the One Nation party because they asked genuine good hearted Australians for their vote, on the illusion that her party would help people who are doing it tough. Hanson knows very well, that Australians are passionate about standing up for the battler. She marketed her party to appeal to those emotions.

I know that so many people have lost faith in politics. I know that so many people out there are looking for a third option. Pauline Hanson knows this and this is why she has made a come back. I am angry because she has tricked so many good people and promoted her party based on lies.

Conclusion

Pauline Hanson is an ex-Liberal party member who was sacked from the party because her racism against Aboriginal people and Asian people was so nasty, even the Liberals did not want her.  She has always believed that those who own their own businesses are ‘harder workers’ than the average Australian worker and she has never had time for anyone on welfare.

For those who say that ‘I need to familiarise myself with Hanson’s policies’ she is proving that her policies are not worth the paper they are written on.

A leopard does not change it’s spots and Hanson will not change hers. If you truly voted for this party, not because you agree with her racist beliefs, but you truly believed that she would stand up for the battler and the average Australian. Please take heed of her history and her actions now and reconsider your vote.

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  1. Mark Needham

    Trish. Mate really dragging the bottom of the barrel here.
    This is a load of cods wallop. (whatever that is) Pauline Hanson doesn’t hate the poor. Video clip above, poverty in Australia,the people depicted, do not know what it is, to be poor.
    C’mon, lets get fair dinkum, hey!
    “”there are 19 jobseekers for every job.”” How many of this lot are actually seeking a job?
    The ABCC, is another phoney story on top of it all.
    Shaking head in disgust,
    Mark Needham

  2. 1petermcc

    Hopefully One Nation voters will follow the same pattern as last time. They only read the headlines to begin with then suddenly started to get surprised when they saw the behavior. Too bad their concentration span isn’t a little longer. We saw that with the commenter who forgot she started out gunning for Aboriginals in your first chapter.

  3. John Kelly

    “Pauline Hanson is an ex-Liberal party member who was sacked from the party because her racism against Aboriginal people and Asian people was so nasty, even the Liberals did not want her. She has always believed that those who own their own businesses are ‘harder workers’ than the average Australian worker and she has never had time for anyone on welfare.”

    This pretty much says all you need to know about Hanson.

  4. John Kelly

    Mark, your question re, “there are 19 jobseekers for every job.” “How many of this lot are actually seeking a job?”…..This is the standard line used by people who believe the rhetoric of shock jocks, LNP supporters, clueless politicians and right wing journalists. You are better than that.

  5. Adrianne Haddow

    Good argument Trish.
    It’s a shame it will probably fall on deaf ears.
    Not to mention the fact that the demographic you are appealing to are not the sort who write to politicians, for all the good that seems to do.

    At some point Mr and Mrs Normal were fed the lie that unions are bad, and they bought it. Mainly because they resent paying union fees, and forgot that unions were the only instrument by which wages grew and work conditions were improved.

    Small business people like Hanson are the last people to support unions because a collective work force ensures they can’t get away with paying under award wages and workers’ entitlements.

    Still, kudos for trying.

  6. Trish Corry

    Peter I am gobsmacked the amount of people who have said to me that Hanson has nothing against Aboriginal people. Gobsmacked even more because by their FB photos they are definitely over 40.

  7. Wayne Turner

    Let’s call a spade a spade.One Nation voters are racist ignorant morons.

    One Nation is just another Liberal party.Starring the ex-Lib Hanson.

  8. Terry2

    I wonder, did those who voted for Our Pauline realize that One Nation would morph into a rubber stamp for coalition policies ?

  9. Andreas Bimba

    A very good article Trish, this treacherous behaviour by One Nation gets me really angry as well.

    The assault on unions is one of the pillars of creeping corporate fascism, the other is cutting social welfare support and the role of government. Not only do millions suffer unnecessarily due to these neoliberal policies, the economy itself is weakened due to ever greater wealth concentration and stagnant or reducing consumption demand in the whole economy.

    One Nation is a crock of shyt with nothing to offer except the agenda of the coal mining and fracking industries, greater wealth inequity, more unemployment and hardship and lots of racist bigotry. Basically just dumb thugs pushing the neoliberal agenda that is driving this nation into the sewer.

    The fish and chip cooker may like the idea of an ever cheaper and deperate labour force but that is not a solution and is instead one of the main reasons for our economic and social problems.

    Never vote for One Neoliberal Nation.

  10. Zathras

    Hanson had policies?

    Apart from Muslim-bashing, conspiracies about global warming and general hate mongering I heard nothing about their views on anything else.

    Their motto was just “I don’t like it” but nothing about what they would do about fixing “it”.

    Like their followers, they are just a bunch of reactionaries – blaming others for their problems and making it up as they go along.

    As for her problem with aborigines, her ex-husband clarified her racist opinions long ago before he was slapped down with a legal restraint but her record speaks for itself.

  11. Kaye Lee

    One of the first things Hitler did on coming to power was to ban trade unions. The “German Labour Force” replaced unions. The title was chosen carefully. The new organisation was deliberately cloaked in patriotism, as it was now a German entity as was seen in its title. The working class was now a ‘labour force’.

    New laws had been brought in after the burning down of the Reichstag and one covered ‘un-German activities’ and strikes were classed as un-German. In January 1934, the Law Regulating National Labour (the ‘Charter of Labour’) banned strikes at statute level.

    Hitler was still fearful of large group of unemployed men existing in the fledgling Nazi state. This had the potential for long-term trouble. Therefore, job creation schemes were introduced. An individual had no choice about a job placement as anyone labelled ‘work shy’ was sent to prison.

    Sounds all too familiar…..

  12. Andreas Bimba

    Kaye yes our corporate dictatorship shares many characteristics with Nazi Germany except for full employment and economic management, our regime is much worse in these areas and rapidly closing the gap with all the worst aspects of fascism.

  13. kerri

    Good article Trish. Hanson is so self educated. She has no opinion but her own. Hanson and Day alike as both are failed Liberal candidates stand mostly for the LNP and will back them to the hilt.
    It was refreshing last night on the ABC news to see coverage of the fact that the union had warned Dreamworld of poor maintenance practices and lax safety staffing numbers. But I suppose there wont be coverage of that on the commercial channels?
    The unions are not just for the workers!

  14. Kaye Lee

    Andreas,

    That full employment claim was dubious. ‘Work shy’ people were sent to prison, the rest of the men were conscripted, and women were no longer counted in unemployment figures.

  15. david1

    Mark Needham whatever you are on, suggest you get off it

  16. Kaye Lee

    Pauline Hanson once asked an indigenous cameraman if he was a refugee, and then congratulated him on ‘actually working’ – just moments before appearing on television for a live interview in her 2015 election campaign.

    In the segment Hanson is preparing for a live cross with Nine’s Today Show when the cameraman, known only as James, informs her the first topic will be refugees.

    ‘You’re not going to tell me you’re a refugee, James, are you?’ Hanson asks.

    James replies bluntly with: ‘No, Aboriginal.’

    ‘Really? Wouldn’t have picked it. It’s good to see that you’re actually, you know, taking up this and working,’ Hanson responds.

    Before the conversation can continue, Ms Hanson is thrust onto live national television, engaging in a heated debate on Sunrise with her now-fellow Senator elect Derryn Hinch.

    ‘Refugees that are now in the town are actually taking jobs in the meat works. And Australians up there feel that they are reverse-racism (sic),’ says Hanson – a statement that was challenged by hosts David Koch and Samantha Armytage.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3700571/Pauline-Hanson-asks-Aboriginal-cameraman-refugee.html#ixzz4OEwOqoAs

    Typical Pauline – reacts to how someone looks, is surprised to find an Aboriginal working, and then criticises refugees for working at the same time as she criticises them for taking welfare. The woman is an ignorant populist fruitcake who makes no sense.

  17. diannaart

    Top work, Trish

    Neutering of unions has led to continued workplace deaths, wages stagnation, a casualised workforce … the list goes on. Yet unions continue to be targeted as a great evil, hence the ABCC proposal. One only has to look at the supporters of the ABCC – none them are PAYE employees, they are all either business owners or long term politicians and ALL are from the far-right of the political spectrum.

    As at 20 October, 139 Australian workers have been killed at work in 2016.

    The number of worker deaths listed on this page is based on initial media reports and is a preliminary estimate for the number of people killed while working. Once the appropriate authority has investigated the death, more accurate information becomes available from which Safe Work Australia updates details of the incident.

    http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/swa/statistics/work-related-fatalities/pages/worker-fatalities

    Robbing Peter to pay Paul – Dumb Budget 2016

    In all, the Budget Savings (Omnibus) Bill 2016 contains twenty-four measures totalling $6.1 billion. During his second reading speech, treasurer Scott Morrison described them as the first instalment of $40 billion in budget improvements the government will be seeking to legislate in coming months, including some $25 billion in expenditure savings.

    Of the $6.1 billion savings in the bill, roughly half comes from social security payments, with the plan to abolish the “carbon tax compensation” for new social security recipients contributing the single biggest share (about $1.3 billion over the period up to 2019–20). Savings from a range of these measures will be deposited into a special account to help fund the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

    and Australia is described as a wealthy nation…..only at the expense of its citizens.

  18. Steve Laing - makeourvoiceheard.com

    Pauline might see herself as working class, but she considers herself superior to those of her peer group – and that seems to be a common value amongst all that support rightwing politics, they believe they are better than the herd. The problem is that if someone has those values, whatever you try to do, you won’t shift them – changing someone’s internal values is almost impossible.

    Pauline will therefore be highly popular with those who have similar values, a belief that they are somehow better than the next person (even if all the evidence suggests otherwise). The reason she was kicked out of the Liberals were not because of her actual views, but the fact that she publicly shared them out loud.

    The Coalition, and many of their supporters, would never say that they detest sections of the community (and indeed will go out of their way to cultivate “friendships” to apparently reveal their credentials as non-racist, non-sexist, non-homophobic etc – just check Abetz and his gay, but vocally anti-marriage equality, and now senior, staffer Josh Manuatu) – but by their actions it is clear that they despise them (Sophie Mirabella’s QandA response to the non-white panelists who fainted next to her revealed her true “humanity”).

    People who believe Hanson will save them are the same kind of people who thing Trump will save America, and who voted for Brexit. The very same people who voted for Palmer United. The same type who play the lottery in the highly misguided hope that it will change their life, but will still deny the reality when the shit truly starts to hit the fan. They never seem to learn, but their choices are so limited, so how else can you vote against an establishment who make a lot of noise, but don’t seem to generate much action.

    So I don’t ever get into discussions with One Nation supporters because it is pointless. However if I do notice someone that I recognise as being non-aligned, but starts sharing some of the One Nation nonsense, I go in and go in hard.

  19. king1394

    139 killed in work related accidents, and many more injured on the job. I brought up the issue of workplace deaths to a Liberal-voting friend and she immediately cited the 3 people killed doing ‘pink batts’, which was all Labor’s fault

  20. nexusxyz

    Meanwhile the LNP clowns will spend $190Billion+ on utterly useless weapons that will add a big zero to the nation in terms of economic wealth. Australia is going down the same path at the UK where suicide by the poor is rising rapidly and so is malnutrition and disease. I despise the LNP as they stand for nothing except for greed. They will also demolish the health system and make it more ‘Americanised’ which is the ultimate perversity. You would only do that to feed taxpayer money to your mates as it has zero benefit for anyone else.

  21. Gazza boy

    Ya gatta luv this site. I actually thought it may have been some sort of story. The clown who put this drivel together needs to be dropped off a tall building into a bucket of his own swill. Pauline Hanson is a true Australian and loves Australia without question. THe CFEMU you are the ones that hate Australia and are prepared to bring it to it’s knees. Pauline is bigger than these swines.

  22. Trish Corry

    How sad to be conditioned like that. Every workplace death and significant injury is heartbreaking

  23. Alan Baird

    Yes, Michael, he’s another knuckle-dragger. He calls the article drivel but clearly doesn’t understand what “swill” actually is, and anyway, who owns his or her swill?. If you want to outrage the audience of this site, you’ve got to use appropriate trigger words, ie. “into a bucket of “his” own (insert expletive, eg shit, vomit, etc). Every line betrays the humble reasoning and expressive power of the writer. Long on emotion and short on grammar, usage and spelling. In short, a perfect “Oz 1st” representative and one can always count on them to produce quality drivel.
    PS. “It’s” means “it is”. Australia isn’t “knees”. Bringing Australia to it is knees? Gazza is probably twelve. Plural of “swine” is… “swine”. “Swine” is the name for a pig or a group of pigs. One could call me a “swine” for typing this. Or collectively, the whole lot of everybody to the left of “Oz 1st”. We’re all swine. We can’t help it.

  24. Mozzie (Maureen) Fenn

    Im a Pauline supporter and proud of it.Was in a union for years even a shop stewart.My family is of mixed race Pom Ozzie and aboriginal. And half the shit on here about Pauline is ludicrous. No wonder the countrys in the state its in.You lot are a joke.I have a large family 30 grandkids and 9 greats.All working those of working age.were all working class .

  25. Alan Baird

    Cheeses of Nazareth! Not a lot of gorm there.

  26. Trish Corry

    Hi can you elaborate which parts are ludicrous? It is widely reported and factual that Hanson is supporting the ABCC and 6 Billion of cuts to welfare.

  27. Dale Marshall

    What an absolute joke you are Trish. You’ll say anything for donations huh? You could apply for a position with any of the majors with your disgusting rhetoric of lies. It’s you and your type which is destroying the country…Just get out the way,One Nation will only get bigger in support now,so like it or lump it.

  28. Dale Marshall

    Go Mozzie…Sayin it how it is

  29. Trish Corry

    Hi Dale. Again with the donations? I am not sure what you mean? What lies? Hanson is supporting ABCC and 6 Billion cuts to welfare. If you have evidence she changed her mind, let us know please.

  30. Matters Not

    Dale Marshall is probably correct when arguing that One Nation will get more support.

    But Dale could you beyond forecasting what will happen and provide reasons as to why she should get more support?

  31. Dale Marshall

    Lovin the One Nation supporters that know and can see the truth in here. Truly inspiring that we now have hope for our future generations.

  32. Trish Corry

    Dale that is very confusing. I have published the truth. It is reported in all the newspapers? What reason do you deny she is rejecting ABCC and stopping welfare cuts? She has announced she will support the Liberal Party herself. If she changed her mind let us know please

  33. Dale Marshall

    I don’t tick the ‘get notified if replied’ to thanks. I have no interest in discussing the truth with left-leaning fools hell-bent on showing no care for the country’s future. I am well aware its just a waste of time.

  34. Rossleigh

    Ah, Michael, there’s no need to be like that. Just because someone can’t put together a coherent sentence. that doesn’t mean that they don’t have the right to abuse you.
    After all, One Nation is the result of Pauline not being allowed to attack certain groups when she was an endorsed Liberal member. They disendorsed her but she won anyway and promptly suggested that we were being swamped by Asians and Aborigines so abuse is in the DNA of the party.
    Still, it wonders how they ever hope to achieve government given that we’re “swamped” by all these people. After all, it is a democracy and the “we” of which they speak must be only one or two percent by now!

  35. mars08

    @Rossleigh… it’s a democracy (of sorts) today… but that could change….

  36. totaram

    You can see that One Nation supporters don’t have any reason to support Pauline Hanson. They just hate anyone who opposes her! Simple!

    As for Maureen Fenn and her aboriginal “connection” and working class background: I am 90% sure it is manufactured. These ON supporters love to do this kind of thing and feel they have done a wonderful thing by fooling people in them-thar “leftie” blogs. I wouldn’t believe it for a second. I’d much rather believe a Hindu Brahmin woman who says she supports ISIS.

  37. david1

    Mozzie (Maureen) Fenn…your post revealed so much more about you than I suspect, you ever meant to expose. Hanson is welcome to you.

  38. paulwalter

    What sums up Hansonist Australia? Two stories today, one concerns Builder Bob Day and his $40 million debt, likely conveniently bailed out by a “mystery Investor”.

    The other, the CEO of Dream world is awarded a million dollar bonus AFTER four people are killed on her watch. Should this money not have gone to the families as compensation?

    Ignorance and arrogance

  39. Miriam English

    Excellent article Trish.

    Sad that these One Nation supporters have come out to comment here so blindly and aggressively. You’d think they’d have something positive to say, but no. Just words of anger and blind devotion. They really have no idea what they’re being used for and they don’t want to know. I kinda feel sorry for them.

    Your controlled, polite, and honest questions back to them in the face of their abuse puts you far, far above them in moral terms, Trish.

  40. Trish Corry

    Thanks Miriam. The One Nation supporters who have commented here are not the ones I am trying to reach. I am trying to reach the everyday Australian, possibly working, possibly not, who believed all of her promises. I have been shocked to see some people I know who have supported her. I would not describe them as stupid, or uneducated. They just take no notice of politics in general. My area I live in is one area where there is a fair bit of support, so the Hanson rhetoric is close to home for me.

    If the questions I asked were asked to someone who voted for Hanson, but not someone who sees her as God himself; I believe they would stop and think. As with Tony Abbott, once his actions and decisions started to be noticed; he plummeted. I have faith that the same will happen with Hanson.

  41. Matters Not

    TC, I did suggest that support for Hanson was on the rise in your neck of the woods based on a Radio National ‘pub’ survey before the election. I posted to that effect.

    As it turned out, the ‘pub’ commentators were on the money.

    Hanson (and what she identifies and exploits) is simply not going to go away.

    Ridiculing her supporters (easy as it may be) is probably counterproductive – as you well realise.

    Getting them to reflect on their views via questions might prove fruitful. Thought and all that.

  42. Trish Corry

    True. It is in Turnbull’s interest to keep jobs at bay sadly. It seems the more dire things are the more people turn to the right and the extreme right who make it even worse.

  43. Kaye Lee

    One Nation is a symptom but definitely not a cure. I suspect if we had enough jobs to go around, Pauline’s support would disappear.

    ON blames a whole host of people for unemployment – tree-huggers, unions, immigrants (especially if they look different)…on and on the blame game goes. Why blame environmentalists for holding up the Adani mine and not the banks who refuse to finance it? Why blame the 457 visa workers and not the government who fails to anticipate needs and incentivise training to fill the gaps? Why punish and vilify the unemployed for being unemployed?

    Why blame Australian Muslims for the cultural practices or violence in other countries? Why have a hissy fit about halal certification and not about grain fed or free range or kosher certification or any of the many other dietary choices that might add to the price of goods (which you are not obliged to buy)?

    Pauline is very good at identifying insecurities but, far from reassuring people as one would expect from our leaders, she deliberately fans that fear. She sees an irritation and picks at it until it becomes a festering sore. She has no clue as to the real causes or solutions – she just keeps scratching, making things worse, misdirecting anger, causing mistrust and division.

  44. Terry2

    A plea to the One Nation Senators : please read the legislation before you form a policy position : don’t be influenced by helpful people like Michaelia Cash : listen to others including people like Nick Xenophon and, increasingly Derryn Hinch.

    For instance, the backpacker reformulated tax package is a mess having been re-assembled in haste and with little equity : for instance, a fruit picker who is an Australian citizen has a tax free threshold of around $18,000 whereas a guest worker is taxed from the first dollar earned. Ask yourself why is that the case, do we want to discourage backpackers from working here ?

    Guest workers (backpackers) are subject to compulsory superannuation deductions from their pay even though they will never retire here. When they go to draw down on their superannuation (compulsory saving) contributions when leaving Australia they are taxed at a rate of 95% : that is theft. If we really do value these people and if they add value in agricultural areas why do we steal from them.

    Finally, Senators, your election to the Senate was so that you could represent the people of your state and the nation. Please do not become a rubber stamp of the coalition.

  45. Kaye Lee

    The cuts that One Nation are supporting….

    $2.9 billion in Family Tax Benefit end-of -year supplements the government still was to abolish; $1.3 billion carbon tax compensation for future welfare recipients; $1.2 billion by stopping the “double dipping” of paid parental leave; and $600 million in assorted measures including freezing eligibility thresholds, ending a pensioners education supplement and making dole recipients wait a period before receiving payments.

    It should be noted that all workers (except backpackers) still receive the carbon tax compensation of an increased tax free threshold from $6000 to $18,200. Families, pensioners and the unemployed will be the ones hit by this. Are they really the people we should be targeting when corporations continue to pay no tax and we are spending $400 billion over the next twenty years on military hardware?

    They talk about mothers double dipping – what about politicians like Joe Hockey, Philip Ruddock and Andrew Robb all of whom have been given Special Envoy or Ambassador titles which allow them to draw their superannuation pension whilst earning a huge salary as well. We even pay for Joe Hockey’s babysitter.

    If One Nation truly cares about battling Australians they would consider alternatives rather than being manipulated by the liars who currently occupy the government benches.

  46. Kaye Lee

    Terry, I think it would be better to scrap the superannuation guarantee for backpackers. That would help employers.

  47. diannaart

    Superannuation paid to overseas workers? The first time I heard about it, I thought WTF? I agree with Kaye Lee, drop the entire thing – employers happier, backpackers, happier, government…. who knows what they really think.

    Paying for Joe Hockey’s babysitter – to be fair he really does need one.

    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkp2vbwXAo1qfnxbt.jpg

  48. Lee Turner

    I am not amused by some comments on here obviously i am a Pauline supporter and for one sick and tired of being called a racist because of my concerns for our country ..welfare cuts .. so be it ..better than paying thousands to a muslim man with a few wives and heaps of kids which they will keep on having to get the muslim numbers up in Australia ..sont you people research muslim way of life ..read the news of the impact on other countries ..they will drain the economy of Australia anyway … and the comments said derogatory about Pauline and fish and chips .. an ordinary Australian like many of us and by your comments have belittled many many Australians and you wonder why One nation and Pauline are getting our votes .. and you all trish included with your views need to accept a % of the guilt when Australia is experiencing the same issues of other countries .. and your calling us the dumb ones …hello ..

  49. John Brame

    400 billion on military hardware. The ongoing waste of the world to defend itself, while the planet chokes on human consumption. Climate change will be the game changer.

  50. Trish Corry

    Hi Lee
    Thank you for stopping by to comment. I have not stated in this article that you are racist. In fact, I am not interested in those who ARE racist, because if you are a racist at voting age, there is no hope for you. I am interested in the voters who voted for Hanson because she thought she would stick up for the battler. She has marketed her party in a very false light. Making false claims. Supporting the Liberals does not help the poor.

    I am interested in two points you made and I wonder if you can clarify.

    1. You support the cuts to welfare. Knowing full well the damage and poverty this will cause for people doing it tough (the Duncan Storers of the world, if you want to put a face to it); then why do you think this is a positive way forward? You said you support cuts to welfare because of something to do with Muslims. There are not that many Muslims in Australia compared to the rest of us; so why do you support making poor people suffer, because you don’t like just a few people who may get that payment? This will cause more people to be homeless, more families to not be able to afford to feed their kids properly. You think that is OK, just because you don’t like Muslims.

    That does not make sense to me.

    If you don’t like Muslims, wouldn’t the rational thing to do, would be to lobby the Government to exclude Muslims from the welfare payments and leave everyone else alone? (I would not support this – but it makes more sense from your reason for your support you outlined above).

    2. Please point out where I have called you or Hanson supporters dumb. My article is not attacking anyone. It is highlighting the facts that Hanson is supporting cuts to welfare and this will hurt the most disadvantaged in society. She is also supporting the ABCC, which will cause more deaths in the workplace.

    I do make the very strong point, that if people end up homeless, cuts to their payments may contribute to increased suicide, may contribute to children in poverty, then the people who voted her in are responsible. They are responsible because she has been in parliament before and her record speaks for itself. She is right wing. That means she does not support welfare. That means she has the same view as the Liberals.

    It is really up to you if you support legislation that hurts others. You are a grown up. It is your decision. However, If you want to support that – get out on the streets with a placard and champion cuts to welfare. Scream it in the streets. Fight for these people to get less money than 25% below the poverty line. Go to Centrelink and tell the customers waiting there that you really want them to get less money, because you don’t like Muslims and some Muslims get welfare, so that means that everyone should have their payments cut. Get back to me and let me know if you still feel the same after that experience.

    I am interested to understand the reality of the situation and how your support for cutting welfare with your defense of Hanson’s support.

    If you just hate poor people – that would be a different story. But you don’t sound like you do. Do you?

  51. Terry2

    diannaart

    The changes to the backpacker tax and the superannuation rort has been the subject of spin and deception by Morrison and Joyce : fruit & vegetable growers have been taken for suckers and this is why the Senate need to bring some honesty to this sham and that is where One Nation can play a very positive role.

    This article explains the situation : http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-27/backpacker-tax-farmers/7880694

  52. Terry2

    Hi Lee

    Have noted your comments and I’m sure that we all hope that One Nation can carve a role for themselves in the Senate that we can all be proud of : I would hate to see One Nation just become a rubber stamp for the coalition.

    I would be interested in your view on my comments above to diannaart. Do you think that a tax of 95% on compulsory superannuation savings is fair, should One Nation support it ?

  53. david1

    Lee Turner…last time I checked (today) polygamy is still a crime in Australia. As it seems by your very words you are aware of such a crime being committed in the Muslim community on numerous occasions and the perpetrators are double or triple or more dipping into the welfare system, how many have you reported to the police and Centrelink?

    Are you suggesting Muslims are the only couples double dipping? that multiple partners are exclusively Muslim? I am interested in the other harmful, anti Australian practices Muslims are exclusively inflicting on your and other One Nation lives that reduces you to such racial intolerance.

  54. cornlegend

    Now this comment will probably be as popular as a fox in a fowlhouse.
    During the 2016 campaign a bunch of people were electioneering, part of the time in QLD.
    A sometime article contributor on Independent Australia who is a strong advocate for Asylum Seekers asked one of the group if they would pose a few questions to likely voters as the handed out HTVs to give him some insight for a future article.
    He reported back that there was a lot more support for Hanson than was being reported, a fair % of Labor voters would put Hansons lot high in their Senate vote and their greatest concerns were Asylums seekers,Islam and terrorism
    When this info was relayed the person requesting the info was appreciative but, alas the messenger, although an old com, was branded a Hanson supporter
    The biggest mistake is to just brand Hanson supporters morons, rednecks and uneducated and view the supporters as some stereotypical image of a flag drapped ranting fool.
    Follow up surveys have shown support for Hanson has increased quite rapidly since the election .
    The coalition is the biggest loser from a resurgence in support for Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party.

    In Queensland the minor party is attracting 10 per cent of voters, up from 5.5 per cent in July. In NSW and Western Australia, One Nation’s support is six per cent.
    October 17, 2016 9:51am

    To just blame Hanson for attiudes to Asylum Seekers is a bit rich
    An Essential poll only recently found

    Q. Over the last few years, do you think that the threat of terrorism happening in Australia has increased, decreased or stayed much the same?

    Increased?
    Total Labor Lib/Nat Greens other
    TOTAL Increased
    73% 73% 82% 57% 73%

    Would you support or oppose a ban on Muslim immigration to Australia?

    Total Labor LNP Greens other

    Total support 49% 40% 60% 34% 58%

    So, as can be seen from thise figures, the issues are more widely concerning than to just ON supporters

    At the 2016 election the party polled 4.3 per cent (+3.8) of the nation-wide primary vote in the Senate. Only Queensland polled higher for the party than their nation-wide percentage − the party polled 9.2 per cent (+8.6) of the primary vote in that state.

    Given this support for Hanson seems to be growing to the point that hers is, on figures , the quickest growing Party at present and gaining support rapidly enough to have it suggested that One Nation would be likely to hold the balance of power in QLD, by a handy number, after the next election there.
    Time to drop the “bogan” tags and start to look at just why so many Australians from across a broad cross section of the community are going over to Pauline.
    I don’t support Hanson, never have never will but to try to brand them all as clowns just seems to strengthen supporters resolve.
    Time to address the ISSUES that enables Hanson
    flame away 😀

  55. Trish Corry

    Thanks Corny. My approach to this series has not been aggressive but with a view to analysing Hanson’s actions compared to what she says. I’m hoping reasonable Australians will start to see her as just another politician who does need to be held to account like the rest. Also what they voted for may not be what she gives them. I hope that has been evident. I have had one person comment elsewhere that “Yes I will think twice now” that one comment has been my favourite so far.

  56. Miriam English

    Lee Turner, such a defensive reaction! On some level you must be feeling uneasy about your choices, declaring that people shouldn’t call you dumb. That’s made glaringly worse by angrily saying you’re not racist, and in the very next breath making unbelievably racist accusations about Muslims.

    Seriously, don’t you see what you did there? Can you see the ugly caricature you’re being tricked into becoming? Doesn’t it embarrass you, just a bit?

    You suggest people research Muslims and their way of life. That’s excellent advice! You should follow it.

    I’ve met a lot of Muslims. You’d be surprised to find they have exactly the same concerns most of us do: to live good and honorable lives, do well by their family and friends, and give back to the community they’re a part of.

    I’m atheist, so I dislike all religions, but I have to admit that Muslims have a strong emphasis on charity and helping the poor — a trait that many “good” Christians could learn much from. I note this in particular reference to your desire to hurt great numbers of the most poor in our society just so that you can hurt some imaginary Muslims.

  57. Miriam English

    Cornie, very good points. I’d lay most of the blame on the dominance of horrible Murdoch media up here. It bends people’s minds in the most ugly fashion.

  58. Kaye Lee

    Trish’s series of articles on this topic have been excellent. She has shown great restraint and a genuine desire to understand.

    I am less tolerant. One Nation won the right to a platform on which to express their views – they did not win automatic credence or respect. I have listened to many interviews with their Senators. I have read their policies and press releases. I have read comments by their supporters in social media. The kindest thing I can say is that they are naive. The cynical side of me would call ON populist but I think that Pauline actually believes the stuff she reads on Larry Pickering’s site and lacks the analytical ability to sort shit from clay.

    People are rightly feeling disgruntled but looking for groups to blame is what fascists do. Does One Nation have any realistic positive policies? Do they offer any viable solutions? Or are they just going to prostitute themselves to flattery from the Coalition?

  59. cornlegend

    Kaye Lee
    my point was, what made the three quarters of a million and climbing feel the need to support Hanson?
    Why do 40% and 34% of Labor and Greens respectively poll as “support or oppose a ban on Muslim immigration to Australia?”
    Or that 73% and 57% of Labor and Greens respectively poll as fear a terrorist event?
    Similarly, why are workers, Latinos the homeless and dispossessed supporting Trump in such numbers ?
    I don’t presume to know what 750,000 plus Aussies think, but I do have major concerns about what got them thinking that way in the first place.
    Desperation ? frustration ? not being listened to ? talked down to?
    More a need for conversation, not abuse and name calling.
    ” I have listened to many interviews with their Senators. I have read their policies and press releases. I have read comments by their supporters in social media.”
    I doubt many One Nation supporters have ,
    I think Pauline won their support simply because they are NOT LNP, Labor or the Greens, none of whom seem to be listening, more, lecturing

  60. Kaye Lee

    I can accept trying to understand why people voted for Hanson. As I mentioned before, I think if there was close to full employment her support would disappear.

    As for the polls, I doubt their validity – extrapolating what a few hundred say to an entire population is dubious. Nevertheless, it is obvious that we need leadership in this area. They unleashed the hounds for political purposes but now the pack are just ripping they prey to pieces. That is not acceptable regardless of any potential votes it may gain you.

  61. cornlegend

    “As for the polls, I doubt their validity ”
    There is much research to show that on the whole opinion polls in Australia from the major polling agencies are pretty accurate

  62. Trish Corry

    Corny, what I am trying to understand is the reasons for the votes. What Hanson supports and what she says she supports are two very different things. The media has a huge role in this. If that was Labor for example, the news would be all over them. The public would be outraged. But here you have someone promoting herself as standing up for the battler, yet she is shoving the poor one huge rough end of the pineapple.

    My question is why do her supporters not care that she is harming the poor, if the reason they voted for her was that she would stand up for the poor. I cannot make sense of this.

    One gentleman before said that he supported the welfare cuts, because Muslims get welfare. So the thinking there is as long as it harms Muslims, it doesn’t matter who else it harms – kids, homeless, veterans. It doesn’t matter.

    I am trying to make sense of this.

    I am trying to create awareness about her actions in a manner in which I am not aggressive. I am trying to appeal to reason.

    So far none of the Hanson supporters who have commented here, want to engage in a reasonable conversation.

    Is this escalation of commitment (supporting her even though they know she is doing wrong, because they have invested so much faith in her?)

    Ignorance – that they will ignore the facts, because they have faith she will help people, not harm them?

    Something else?

    The mood in my area of Rockhampton is fairly strong. They love her here. Buy why? A relatively low socially economic area, but they will cheer squad behind her while she votes to reduce their family payments, dole and pensions.

    I would love to have a reasonable conversation with a Hanson supporter to help me understand WHY.

  63. Matters Not

    In dealing with any new phenomena like Hansonism, there are at least three possible approaches. First, the easiest approach, is to simply ‘describe’ what they ‘believe’ in. It’s usually uncontroversial and uncontested because the evidence comes from their own writings, speeches, interviews and the like. Second, a more difficult task, is the attempt to establish ‘why’ they believe as they do. Concepts found in economics, sociology, psychology, politics and any number of other disciplines are often employed. But establishing the ‘why’ is much more controversial because ’cause’ is always subject to a theoretical framework, assumptions, meanings given and so on.

    The third possibility, and by far the most difficult, is any attempt to show them the error of their ways. That usually is counter-productive. Hansonism isn’t about rational, logical decision making but rather the opposite in many instances. The more they are persecuted, laughed at, ridiculed and the like, the more they dig in. They are not for the turning. It’s a ‘faith’.

    History is littered with examples of where irrational, faith based beliefs and understandings persist and grow. Christianity is but a good example.

  64. Trish Corry

    Agree Matters Not.

    Cognitive sociology/cultural cognition and emotional contagion are two behavioural sociology theories that would explain the why.

    In-group and out-group behaviour also explain why. As people who feel isolated, belonging to a ‘group mind-set’ brings a positive set of emotions and unity.

    It is the challenge to break this – that is the problem.

    If Labor does not do something significant – like a bit of anger and emotion would not go astray. Then we are stuffed. It is in the best interest of the Liberals to maintain the status quo in no jobs, because this is a key construct of angst and isolation for many.

    If Shorten cannot reach the people then we will see devastating consequences.

    I know people who frequent this group champion a ‘joining of Labor and the Greens’ and here is a reason why the Greens would be counterproductive to breaking Hanson support.

    The environmentalist / Greens are a bit of a challenge. Their environmental protests are blocking jobs in the region (Adani for example).

    Arguments of environmental concerns aside, this action is preventing the availability of jobs in some of her biggest regions of support. It is not just jobs in the actual mine, it is jobs from the flow on. Contractors, suppliers etc.,

    Then there are the sustainable environmentalists who back Hanson because she wants to stop Muslim’s coming into the country. They want an entire stop to population growth.

    I don’t think the Greens are the one’s who can break this. Although Greens may agree with Labor on some issues, the disparity on the issues that are important to Hanson voters – ie jobs in regional QLD aka a stopping huge mine, and very vocal about increasing Muslim immigration and climate change carbon tax for example – which people see as increasing their cost of living.

    No. It has to be Labor.

    Labor’s strength are jobs, education and health. It is time they put a bit of raw emotion out there.

  65. Kaye Lee

    Environmental protests about Adani are pretty irrelevant when they cannot find a financial backer. The reason they cannot find a financial backer is because the mine isn’t commercially viable. The sooner Queenslanders understand that the sooner they can start concentrating on industries that will provide jobs.

  66. Matters Not

    TC, Hansonism isn’t just a problem for Labor because in many ways it’s a bigger problem for the LNP. if you go back to those ‘graphs’ I posted earlier and look at where One Nation received their biggest support. Places like Jambin, Theodore, Dulacca, Baralaba, Banana, Windorah – are all in the Nats’ territories. (No wonder George is contemplating a switch.)

    Depending on whose figures you look at ON preferences are splitting almost 50/50. I don’t think it’s time for Labor to go on the attack. That would be counter-productive. It’s time to give ON more ‘air’. They must be given the opportunity to ‘out’ themselves.

    Demand they be given a voice on The Drum, Q&A and the like.

  67. Trish Corry

    Hmmm. You do have a point. However, when journalists fail to ask them the tough questions, what then? When they do ask the tough questions and the supporters just say “she is being picked on” what then?

    Yes, for sure it is LNP country where she has the support. However, It is up to Labor as the alternative Government to start showing some muscle and pushing the LNP (the N which is supposed to represent these people) for results and solutions.

    Labor opposing the Liberals and Hanson backing the Liberals ‘should’ clearly show she is not on the side of the solutions. Cutting welfare is not a solution to the problems for these people. Many rely on it in some form or another.

  68. Trish Corry

    Kaye it is about perception. It is this exact attitude what you have said here that this growing amount of people reject.

    In my region alone we have had:

    A mining downturn
    Hasting Deering shedding workers
    Sibelco (magnesia) shedding workers
    The railway shedding workers
    The major resort shutting up shop
    The meatworks is mainly foreign workers.
    This is on the back of Newman decimating the public and community sector and Labor not returning these jobs to the same extent.

    All of these are major employers. Look at this through the eyes of the Hanson supporters. They don’t care what has caused this. They just want it to stop and for jobs to be available.

    They want a solution. Not an analysis, an explanation or an opposing opinion.

    They would want to see if the mine did not go ahead, what is in place to bring jobs? As I tried to explain the other day – there is nothing else.

    The LNP politicians and even Labor support the mine and support the jobs. People get excited about the thought of more jobs. They don’t care about the financial backing arguments. All they see (perception) is environmental protesters stopping those jobs.

    Many can’t understand what the big deal is because we have always had mines. Basically, everyone has a friend or relative or knows someone who work/ed in the mines.

    They care what the local regional newspapers choose to publish, which is supportive of the arguments from the LNP and they sensationalise Hanson. There is nothing we can do to stop that.

    This is not about what you think or what I think. It is about what they see and what they think about what they see and who they turn to for a solution.

    Labor needs to be that solution, or we are stuffed. There will be NO welfare soon. None and Medicare will be destroyed, health will be privatised and schools will not be free either, and Uni will cost an arm and a leg, if the LNP get another term after this one.

  69. paulwalter

    Matters Not points to an underestimated truth, the impact Hanson can have on the NLP.

    On the ABC “Business”show on 24, Alysse Morgan brought down a devastating report on the antics of an offshore multinational, Wilmar in its thuggish dealings with sugar growers in George Christiansen’s electorate, from memory.

    I wonder how long the people of that region will tolerate half hearted stuff from Joyce, when it is his govenment that has done the most to let loose foreign corporations, with their their legal trickery and swindles, on local people?

  70. Miriam English

    I understand your point about perception, Trish. It is a major problem. The mainstream media push the same one-eyed view constantly and fail to give full coverage, to the point where even you, an undeniably intelligent, well-informed person is unable to see the replacement for Adani’s fictitious jobs: solar and wind power. Boosting the renewables industries can bring in far more jobs than the Mine ever pretended, and at the same time it gives the opportunity to reduce costs for ordinary people who are suffering under rising costs.

    The Queensland Government convened an expert panel which produced a report that even a very modest renewable energy target of just 50% by 2030 would add between 6,400 – 6,700 jobs and $5 billion in value to the economy. If we opt instead for 100% in about 10 years the positive effect on jobs and the economy would be tremendous. And it would be easy here in Queensland. We certainly have the climate for it.

    The Greens and Labor should really be on the same page on this. It mystifies me that Labor isn’t. As you say, Labor needs to be that solution or we are stuffed. The Greens won’t have government anytime soon (even though they have increased support dramatically in QLD). In the end, it really is up to Labor to do what is in the best interests of Queenslanders.

    Adani’s mine was never viable. If it goes ahead it will cost us billions with no return. The only one who will come out ahead is Adani himself. He’d pay no taxes here and jack up the prices in tax-haven countries on its way to India where he’d sell at enormous profit… for the next 2 or 3 years, after which India will cut off all coal imports and Adani will move on to the next suckers. We’ll be left with a dirty great hole in the ground, no market for the coal, a wrecked tourism industry, expensive, but worthless railway and port expansions, violated trust of the traditional owners of the land stolen from them, and still trying to catch up in the renewables race.

  71. david1

    Trish from my observing Hanson MK1 and 11, the word reasonable doesn’t enter the equation.

  72. Matters Not

    paulwalter

    the impact Hanson can have on the NLP

    The obvious political tack for the LNP is to move further to the right and appropriate her ‘policies’. If the Nats were driving the bus that would be easy enough but they aren’t because it’s the Libs who took over the LNP, much to the shock of the Nat strategists. There always was a healthy amount of tension between the two parties – a real intellectual divide that continues to bubble below the surface.

    Nats tend to be, first and foremost, focussed on ‘pragmatism’. And concerned with people not higher order considerations. Obsessed with what works here and now – and bugger the ‘principles’ or the ‘rights’ and ‘wrongs’. Practical people and you can forget that theoretical bullshit. The Libs tend to be more like labor members. Somewhat concerned with ‘principles’. Longer term thinking. Rule of Law and all that.

    So yes Hansonism can cause ructions within the LNP. (It’s a great time to be a political observer. How the ‘dirt’ files will grow.)

  73. cornlegend

    Miriam
    “The Greens won’t have government anytime soon (even though they have increased support dramatically in QLD)”
    Hardly,
    They almost got back to the halcyon days of 2010
    Greens QLD 2010 10.9%
    2013 8,6% -3.1
    2016 10.2%
    not sure if “dramatic” suits
    still, any port in a storm

  74. Kaye Lee

    I fully agree Trish that unemployment is a real concern and, as I said, I think that is what has left an opening for Hanson even though, as you point out, she offers no solutions.

    Miriam suggests renewables, but there are other options too. Last time I was in Brisbane, I couldn’t believe the peak hour traffic and I am told the public transport is bad. The government should be employing people to build infrastructure – as you know, I like the high speed rail idea but that would be a long time in the planning. Tourism is another boom industry for Queensland – could it be developed in regional areas too? I am not very good at thinking these things up but we sure as hell need something soon, particularly for our young people and our indigenous communities.

    What they should be doing is increasing welfare benefits to stimulate the economy and make tertiary education cheaper rather than more expensive. Back our TAFEs and identify skills shortages and incentivise appropriate courses to fill future need. Preschool for all kids would provide jobs immediately and be a good investment for the future. Build affordable housing.

  75. Miriam English

    Cornie, fair enough. Looking at those figures “dramatic” is certainly the wrong word to use. They’re doing better around the Sunshine Coast (about 20% of the vote), and they’re moving in the right direction, but they’re still a very long way from getting government. That’s my point: it’s up to Labor to do the right thing.

  76. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Hanson appeals to her voters like Trump does to his. Not much to boast about, I would have thought, Hansonites!

    My thoughts have been well expressed above by such commenters as Miriam, Kaye and dare I say it, Trish.

    Hansonites! Australia needs you to value your votes for you and for us. Hanson does not represent us or Aus, as she is a jilted Liberal lover, which means her values equate to the crumbs she can gather from the table of her perceived overlords while she’ll stand on your heads to get them. Don’t be mugs!

  77. Trish Corry

    To put into perspective how much of an impact The Greens have in areas like mine (Capricornia) where many champion Hanson: Here are the senate results for Capricornia for the major and minor major parties here.

    Labor 23236
    Liberals 20785
    Hanson 11413
    Greens 2186
    Lazurus 1794
    Katter 1641
    Family First 1633

    The Sunshine Coast is one hour from Brisbane. They are completely accessible to anything they need one hour away by car. If not a train will take you direct from Nambour to Brisbane.

    This is a much different reality here. There are busses, there are no trains within ‘city’. There isn’t even a train to take you to the beach. So when people down south, yabber on about how great building great big infrastructure for public transport and how great it will be for the environment and how this will create jobs.

    The disillusioned people in electorates like Capricornia think two things: 1. Typical, all the money goes down south and 2. What about jobs here?

  78. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    I thought this article was about Hanson’s subterfuge. Not yet another punch at the Greens!

  79. Trish Corry

    Of the total vote:

    Labor 25%
    Liberals 23%
    Hanson 12%
    Greens 2%

  80. Trish Corry

    This is about the reality of the situation in seats where Hanson is popular. If discussing that means the Greens are not popular – that is the actual fact of the situation. Well so be it. If you don’t like it. Just don’t comment. Don’t read it. No one is forcing you to.

  81. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    I would suggest Labor in Capricornia, as elsewhere, should work hard to win back the hearts and minds of any ex-Labor voters who have gone to the darkside as One Nation supporters. That means recognising that not everybody is actually in secure employment and who face the insecurity of unemployment.

    Labor, like the LNPigs, have not shown much compassion to the unemployed, so as an act of defiance, perhaps some Hanson supporters have gone to Hanson, to wake the flipflops up.

  82. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    While you continue to take every opportunity to have a go at the Greens, I feel compelled to defend them.

    And I maintain my right to free speech.

  83. Trish Corry

    Wow Jennifer. Now you are on board. If you are following the commentary, you will see that I made the point that this is up to Labor to cut through. To challenge the LNP on no jobs. To provide solutions.
    To point out strongly Hanson is on the side of the Liberals.
    My following comments are about how the Greens are not the answer in these seats. The stats speak to that. This is not about what you think or what I think. It is about what her voters think.

    Just a heads up – people who vote for ALL parties have voted for Hanson. Some Labor, Some Lib, Some Greens and the ones who voted for Palmer. Well here anyway. I have not looked into other electorates.

  84. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Very good that you have finally clarified that salient point, Trish, that across-the-board Hanson supporters in your electorate, have gone to Hanson.

    Capricornian Hanson supporters, what do you think Hanson can do to help you to have a better standard of living and prospects than you have now? Are you rebelling against what you perceive as political correctness?

  85. Andreas Bimba

    Americans supporting Trump, the British voting for Brexit and the rise in popularity of One Nation are all very similar.

    The corporate and political establishment that backs the revolving door 2 party system that year after year delivers more unemployment, more off shoring, declining wages and conditions, more FTA’s, more dodgy privatisations, more competition from desperate migrants or temporary visa holders, more austerity and declining government services, more taxes and regulations and lots of hollow promises and lies is hated by the victims which are primarily the working class.

    These people have been betrayed and are now willing to vote for disruptive candidates even when realistically they may be even worse just to shake up the system.

    Listen to this video from Michael Moore that presents the case for voting for Trump that was part of his latest movie that is actually in support of Hillary Clinton.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O_y1TC5w–w

  86. Trish Corry

    Quick get Jennifer a flag. She needs to maintain her freedom of speech!

    Just because you have a history of being incapable of engaging in debate where my very strong opinion is third parties are NOT the solution, and you ONLY see as an attack on the Greens. That is seriously not my problem.

    It is also not my problem you take it personally because you are committed to the Greens.

    You are expressing the same emotions about a third party option, as Hanson supporters have for the third party option they support.

    We have a problem Houston.

    If you review the commentary in America right now. When evil is rising right now before us and is a threat – one of the MAIN themes is THIRD PARTIES ARE NOT AN OPTION.

    I maintain this view. NOT because I am a Labor supporter, and NOT because I believe they are the best party in Australia, but because statistically it is the ONLY reality to defeat the Liberals – the Evil amongst us.

    In my very strong opinion, a number 1 vote for anyone else only assists them.

    You also seriously just made the point that “It is up to Labor” If the Greens are so great – why isn’t it up to them?

  87. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Trish,

    your vision of politics in the 21st century is scew-eyed. Sorry. You think too much in the short term. Think strategically for the present by all means but also think about the medium and long term plan which will bring about systemic changes that will address the marginal issues and constituent groups without having to support one or the other of the flipflops.

    Probably you can’t do that but you can at least tolerate others while they attempt to see diverse alternatives.

    Andreas,

    interesting.

  88. Trish Corry

    Jennifer, Have you ever considered that maybe your view point may not be the best solution?

    If the Michael Moore video tells anyone anything; it is to keep out true evil, you cannot not “Not vote” and you can’t vote for a third party. You must vote for the ONLY party who can stop the evil. (Sound Familiar?)

    The other thing it teaches us, is that by portraying someone that is relatively good as Evil when it is simply not true, does nothing but assists the rise of ‘evil.’ (Sound Familiar?)

    I’m glad someone so prominent has came out and validated what I have been saying all along and and an opinion I have copped so much crap for on this site it is not funny. So thank you Mr. Moore.

  89. Kaye Lee

    Is there a reason why you can’t build infrastructure in Capricornia? All the jobs from the mine and railway were to be FIFO. Some people might be able to do this to other more productive infrastructure projects but that won’t help local employment.

  90. Andreas Bimba

    Note the previous clip from Michael Moore was an excerpt and he actually makes the case for voting for Hillary Clinton after that clip in his new movie – Trumpland.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2iCUI-k723A

  91. Trish Corry

    We can…..the wrong Govt is in power federally. The other reason is that so much money is invested down south (a common gripe) that we miss out.

    We had really good infrastructure spending here under Labor and the Liberals have taken the credit for the finished projects. Typical.

    The QLD Govt has been quite good with funding projects, but there is much more they could do.

    Infrastructure spending takes commitment from both Federal and State and both just continuously blame each other.

    That doesn’t help the perception of the disengaged voters who vote for Hanson.

    The problem is not just infrastructure that is mainly construction jobs, but ways to attract alternative investment to the region, plus other ideas the Govt can control, such as decentralisation of the public sector to the regions. That is something QLD Labor could do, but they have not.

    Although Barnaby wanted to do this – the LNP here would flip out if we did that, if it was a ‘Labor’ idea.

    To attract investment to the region, this would mean some type of corporate welfare strategy to encourage investment or state owned development with ongoing jobs.

    The Libs won’t go for that, but Labor would.

    They are merging Ergon and Energex. If they (QLD Labor) decide to make Townsville the main hub for jobs. We will be left with three major employers – the Uni, the Council and some public services like Health.

    We may as well just lay down and die.

  92. Kaye Lee

    Barnaby is the absolute master of ribbon cutting other people’s projects. Truss was good at it too. We have to think harder about what sort of industries would work there. I don’t know the area well enough. Are FIFO jobs helpful or harmful? How big is the population? Could health be expanded to become a regional hub? Is there a tourist industry? Renewables does seem an obvious immediate option.

  93. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    We all agree the wrong government is in power in Canberra as they were the wrong one the last trimester but somehow Labor failed to see who their true allies could be.

    Instead of finding reasons why the Greens and Labor can’t form the ALLiance. Start thinking about how they can.

    BTW Trish, the Michael Moore thing is a short term solution for a long term gain. Any self-respecting American should not think Hillary is the long term answer and example of good equitable governance.

    Likewise sadly, I am reluctantly coming to wonder about Labor UNLESS they become more grassroots and collegiate with other Left wing parties – medium and micro.

  94. Trish Corry

    FIFO – NO! Harmful!!!!!!!!

    About 200,000 in Capricornia. 100,000 or there-a-bouts in Rockhampton and close surrounds.

    We could rocket forward with massive community sector investments by the Govt making us a major hub for services.

    Investment in building projects for social housing.

    As one of the major areas for DV, a low socio economic area and an aging population, this would make complete sense.

    More support for TAFE and Uni.

    Decentralisation of the public sector.

    Actual real dollar terms support for small business

    Corporate welfare to encourage a manufacturing plant or two.

    And major investment in Indigenous Tourism. I have always had this idea that we should have ‘living art’ in various places to tell stories of the Darumbal people. These art works would be on display all over the place with stories. I think it would an amazing tourist attraction with guided tours. We have some incredible artists here.

    They are my ideas. The problem with ideas, is the right people need to be listening.

    Fingers crossed the investor in the local Gold Mine I was telling you about, may re-open it. He is still hanging about.

  95. Trish Corry

    *DIDO is ok because that is drive in drive out from local surrounding areas – but even this should be restricted. FIFO is people from Sydney and so forth taking local jobs.

  96. Kaye Lee

    I love all of those ideas. I am not sure if you saw that I added to a comment above mentioning that all the jobs for the mine and railway would be FIFO which I also have great reservations about. I have read lots about how it hurts communities and families so that is yet another strike against the mine. Your ideas are so much better – much more sustainable, productive and doable as well as being of long term benefit. Manufacturing is tough due to cheaper OS competition – it would have to be either niche or high quality….or something our wonderful CSIRO invents that we actually keep the patent for.

  97. Trish Corry

    Yes, as I explained earlier. I am not a fan of mining for many reasons, however that is the only available solution on the table right now. We can’t wait much longer for jobs relief. It is a serious situation. I would think food manufacturing would be great here, or electrical components maybe, another one is plants that turn recycling and waste into usable goods (I don’t know much about them though. I am more of a services industry type person).

    Onshore processing would also create jobs.

  98. cornlegend

    “Instead of finding reasons why the Greens and Labor can’t form the ALLiance. Start thinking about how they can.”
    Why?
    What bloody difference would it make?
    Adam would still be Mr Lonesome and nothing would change.
    A formal link with the Greens could well be detrimental electorally for Labor.
    If there are issues they agree on, they can vote on them or against the Government.
    There doesn’t need to be an alliance to oppose Legislaation you don’t support

    Please, tell me one difference an Alliance would make in the current Parliament ?

  99. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Very true, Kaye.

  100. Kaye Lee

    They go the wrong way about decentralising the public service. When they try to move existing departments, current employees understandably don’t want to uproot their entire family and move. Forced moves lead to the loss of a lot of talent. What they should do is open a fledgling new department, or a new branch, perhaps with some experienced managerial/training staff who are amenable to the move but largely staffed by locals, which then builds up expertise and responsibility and grows naturally.

    And that’s a very good point that onshore processing would create jobs but will George Christensen and Michelle Landry allow asylum seekers within cooee?

  101. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    I agree with Trish’s attempts at proposed solutions @ 8.47pm.

  102. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    cornlegend,

    I was going to ignore you but your tone was more conducive to discussion so I’ll respond.

    The difference is that if the ANTI-LNP public can see a formidable force forming from the Greens, Labor and other Progressives then marginal and undecided voters will take heart that it is worth supporting an identified ALLiance especially if they have already swapped sides between those particular parties.

    I might even venture to suggest that other ‘turned voters’ such as Hansonites wherever they may be, would consider the possibility of an alternative to the current stinking abusers of power.

    Meanwhile, true ALLiance people can plan how the system will be changed for progress and reform in the medium and long term, so that true progressives are not lost in the strategic games of power plays between the Lib/Lab flipflops.

  103. Kaye Lee

    It just struck me what we are doing wrong. We have these impassioned debates, we write articles presenting facts and sound reasoning and logical argument, commenters contribute links expanding information and arguing pros and cons…..

    Meanwhile, we are led by politicians who rely on “talking points” written by staffers.

    Trish, you should write a dot point list of the job creation opportunities that have been mentioned to pass on to our politicians who tend to be too busy flying around having their photo taken “with the people”, only to fly out to their next engagement (which will likely be a fundraising dinner somewhere).

    They feed us slogans – we need to keep it simple for them.

  104. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    So true, Kaye.

    Trish, you claim to get Billy Shorten’s ear when he visits your territory, so claim his ear again with all your good proposals that will get grassroots people back into secure employment whether in Capricornia, southern Tassie, or the Latrobe Valley in Vic near where I live BTW.

  105. Trish Corry

    Yes, I have been working on these ideas for a while. I intend to send them on to various people.

  106. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Good.

  107. Trish Corry

    Byetheway. We have a new author on here today – Katherine Marchment. I met her online and I asked her to write her thoughts and send to me. I edited it to blog post format and posted it this morning. It is about Prison in the Northern Territory. It is a good read. No one has commented so far. I’m not sure if people have seen it. I’m sure it is right up AIMN readers street.

  108. John Brame

    I keep hearing that people are disaffected with the major parties and so votes are going elsewhere, like Xenophon and One Nation etc. Why not try NOT voting at all if you are unhappy with the options.

  109. Kaye Lee

    They will object due to budgetary constraints. As we know through MMT, those constraints are spurious – we don’t need to issue bonds (borrow money to fund spending) but we have little chance at the moment of convincing people of that. But what NO-ONE can deny is that the 30 year bond rate is slightly over 2% at the moment. Think of that – you can ‘borrow’ (and I know sovereign currencies aren’t really borrowing but indulge me) however much you want and you have thirty years before the bond is redeemed and all it costs you is 2% pa simple interest. That is any business person’s dream…we take worse loans when we buy homes. If we can’t borrow and make more than a 2% return pa over thirty years then they should step aside and let me invest it – or maybe even someone smarter than me because I wouldn’t have to get out of my jammies to make a profit under those conditions.

    We could issue bonds for $200 billion right now and in thirty years time we issue bonds again to cover that debt because the face value does not change.’ What will that amount be worth in 30 years?

  110. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    John Brame,

    that is no solution.

  111. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Kaye,

    please construct a mathematical frame of how MMT can work in everyday Australian people’s lives so they can see the benefit to themselves without the banks involved.

    Once Aus has it going good, we can sell the magic of MMT to the world of sovereign states.

  112. Kaye Lee

    JMS,

    It isn’t hard – we just credit an account at the RBA with whatever we please (that is just an accounting nicety) and spend away. Provided we spend it wisely to utilise the unused productive capacity in the economy, it will not be inflationary. We should aim for as close as practicable to full employment. That’s it in a layman’s nutshell. (I am sure the economists could explain much better).

    Government spending should not be seen as a bad thing. Private debt is the real worry (ref Bob Day).

  113. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    I like your grassroots people’s way of explaining MMT. The bignob economists need to remember that non-Economics graduates can grasp what they purport to impart to us.

    Sophistry is not acceptable just as elitism is not.

  114. cornlegend

    “The difference is that if the ANTI-LNP public can see a formidable force forming from the Greens, Labor and other Progressives then marginal and undecided voters will take heart that it is worth supporting an identified ALLiance especially if they have already swapped sides between those particular parties.:

    bloody hell, I’ve never seen such waffle.
    So it is more about getting an “identified ALLiance ” recognised ?
    why bother, why not form a JMS Party to attract the ” marginal and undecided voters” ?
    That’d be a doddle

  115. Matters Not

    From my reading of the above, there is a mountain of evidence to support the crazy notion that many contributors believe the ‘future’ will be very much like the ‘present and the past’ and therefore we should proceed as normal, albeit with a bit of tinkering. I think not.

    When I started work, the boss arrived once a fortnight with a brown envelope that contained ‘notes and coins’, some of which I banked. Then there was a new arrangement when the brown envelope was replaced with a piece of paper that had to be ‘deposited’. Bugger. One had to go to the bank to deposit same and then make a withdrawal … You know the story.

    Haven’t been inside a bank building for at least a decade and yet the number of transactions engaged in have grown exponentially .

    Shifting ‘government departments’ (including decision makers and their families) to regional areas is just bullshit. ‘Decision making’ in the future won’t require an immediate physical presence. Indeed it doesn’t now. It doesn’t even require a telephone call to spend significant dollars as any daily share trader will tell you.

    The whole concept of ‘work’ and where it might be ‘located’ has changed dramatically – and that revolution has just begun.

    We seem to be confronting today’s problems and coming up with yesterday’s solutions. Surely we can do better.

  116. Kaye Lee

    Very good point MN. Could we also do away with politicians having to charter jets to fly to outback locations to make announcements?

  117. Matters Not

    Could we also do away with politicians having to charter jets to fly to outback locations to make announcements?

    Yep! And with a good NBN we could do away with ‘politicians’ flying to Canberra (backbenchers in particular) so that they can ‘background’ the TV screens during Question Time and then ‘raise their hands’ at the direction of the Whip when they are directed to.

    It’s hilarious. But there are other ‘sociological’ forces at play. And let’s not forget the ‘allowances’. Especially the allowances.

    What would the abolition of rorts do to the Canberra property market? The mind boggles.

  118. Miriam English

    Trish, great list of possible investments in the region.

    – Community sector investments. Health is especially important. As climate changes we have tropical diseases already advancing southward. Doctors in the north are the first line of defence for the rest of the country.

    – Housing. This would employ countless tradies and give people a brilliant lifestyle, especially if cheap, but high-technology solutions to maintaining luxury are used (insulation, solar electricity, solar water heating, LED lighting, low voltage electrics, embedded computing and communications, etc). There is a lot to be said for underground and semi-underground (back-filled with sod roof) building in how it maintains stable, comfortable temperatures all year around without costly airconditioning. It also gives double use of land, excellent sound insulation, refuge from fire and violent storms, and various other advantages. Not very long ago Australia led the world in home-ownership. Unfortunately we have been riding a rental investment bubble that will burst soon and hurt an awful lot of people.

    – DV??

    – TAFE and Uni. And other less bricks-and-mortar-bound educational opportunities. The internet has an exploding number of educational sources and many Unis are opening up their courses to put them online, often for free access. If the Labor government facilitated this it would cost very little compared with the massive return on that investment. An educated population creates businesses, inventions, art, books, movies, etc. They also tend to vote for progressives. An uneducated population stagnates and votes conservative.

    – Decentralisation of the public sector.

    – Support for small business. The best support small business can get is more paying customers. That means increasing the disposable money people have available to them. There are a couple of ways to achieve that: increase wages and benefits (the neo-libs have made this unpopular through extensive propaganda); decrease costs (cut or eliminate people’s electricity and internet bills, greatly extend cheap public transport, sponsored or free child care and elderly care, and so on).

    – manufacturing plants… I don’t know if I agree there. I’m not saying I disagree; just that I don’t know. China and India will continue to do it cheaper for at least a decade more. By the time their middle class has sufficiently high wages so we can compete with them almost all manufacturing will be automated anyway. Still, the plants have to be designed, built, and managed. So long as they are not foreign owned the benefits might still accrue locally.

    – major investment in Indigenous Tourism. I couldn’t agree more! Tourism is already a great earner for Australia and as wealth in China and India increases it will grow more lucrative. I’d widen the art attractions to all artists though. We have amazing artists of all racial backgrounds. Though the tourist attraction of unique indigenous art has exceptional value, not only to people who’ve been historically sidelined, but to the rest of the community too (culturally and monetarily).

    – Gold Mine. From what I’ve heard gold mining is extraordinarily poisonous to the local environment and people. It might bring in money for a few people, but at what cost?

    – Eco-tourism. There are already many up there. My brother, who lives in Cairns, worked with one for quite a while. It always seemed to me greatly under-exploited. The whole state has vibrant, unique ecosystems that people travel the world to see. I believe Costa Rica’s economy runs primarily on eco-tourism, so it certainly has earning power.

    – Renewable energy. With all that sun here in Queensland we shouldn’t be paying anybody for electricity. When you cut power bills dramatically everybody is better off (except the coal-based power plants of course). And installing all that solar electricity and solar water heating means jobs — lots of jobs. We have the technology and it gets cheaper and more efficient every day. Something many people don’t realise is that solar power can also be used to cool as well as heat things.

  119. John Brame

    Eco-tourisim, I love the double meaning. People fly from all over the world emitting tons of CO2, then drive everywhere when they get here, more CO2. Stay in a eco-shack somewhere with some solar panel’s on the roof then more driving and fly home, more CO2. Soooooo…eco.

  120. Trish Corry

    Possibly not. As much as I dislike our LNP MP. Capricornia is huge. Susan Ley’s electorate is huge (I think it’s Ley I’m thinking of – she is also a pilot). The roads are crap. I have no qualms with them getting charter flights.

  121. Kaye Lee

    What do they achieve when they fly around to these places? Photo ops? Whilst there may be some justification in one’s own electorate (dubious benefit in my view), when Barnaby and Malcolm fly to Queensland to make an announcement with their entourage in tow and then turn around and fly back home I am left wondering why that presser had to be done on a remote farm somewhere. These people aren’t celebrities much as they may want to act like it. I would prefer them to be in their office answering emails and phones and teleconferencing and actually reading reports rather than just the provided talking points.

  122. Andreas Bimba

    Neoliberals don’t want to increase wages or even reduce unemployment because they think this would reduce their relative wealth.

    In addition their free trade mindset makes them think we as a nation must cut the cost of all inputs, including the cost of labour in order to compete.

    As Australia can be almost totally self sufficient we are actually better off increasing wages to increase demand but most importantly doing this behind moderate trade barriers. For example most highly automated or capital intensive manufacturing sectors can survive behind a moderate 15% tariff.

    We will never be able to compete against China or India on equal terms on an economy wide scale.

  123. Trish Corry

    Kaye: What do they achieve when they fly around to these places?

    The are visiting real live humans who vote. I don’t think the city folk should just get visits, do you? The same people who can probably just go knock on their door anyday, because it is probably just an ‘intercity train ride’ or at best a plan trip from city to city.

    Malcolm and Barnarby just visited my town three days ago. I see that as a waste of time because I detest the LNP and it makes me barf when they come here and walk around in their cowboy hats.

    You seem to think it is a waste of time, and the message your comment sends (intentional or not) is that it is a waste of time visiting these places. That the people who live there are not important.

    The ‘remote farms’ are places not far from here – Alton Downs where they are pictured walking through the grass is about 40 minutes drive from here. Human beings who live in the electorate may just need politicians to listen to them on roads, beef, cost of living, high unemployment etc.,

    This is another problem with the rise of Hanson in regional and rural electorates.

    Do these people not exist? They have the same hopes, dreams, fears and frustrations as anyone else. Politicians need to go and see how they live and engage with them. Not fantasize about it from some office high above the world somewhere.

    The problem with the rise of Hansonism, is that people in these areas feel largely ignored. She has no solutions – she simply found a gap in the ‘political market’ By yelling back their own concerns to them, they think she is listening – she doesn’t have to offer solutions.

    One thing the LNP has done better than Labor is they have a Senator in regional QLD – Matt Canavan with an office in Rockhampton. Labor has a senator in regional QLD – “The Gold Coast” Sorry – but No! That is not regional QLD!

    You do know that Capricornia backs on to the electorate of Kennedy? Bob Katter Town? That his how huge it is. To put it into perspective: Capricornia 91,049 km squared. The PM”s electorate of Wentworth: 38.4 km squared.

  124. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Trish is correct when she highlights how we should not under-estimate how valuable it is to visit remote, rural and regional people regularly to actively engage with their concerns. Hanson does appear to do this with success.

  125. Kaye Lee

    “You seem to think it is a waste of time, and the message your comment sends (intentional or not) is that it is a waste of time visiting these places. That the people who live there are not important.”

    What rubbish. I am saying that politicians visits ANYWHERE are usually an expensive waste of time. I so hate this country vs city argument.

    “Human beings who live in the electorate may just need politicians to listen to them on roads, beef, cost of living, high unemployment etc.,”

    Are those human beings incapable of writing emails, picking up the phone, or Heaven forbid, using their local representative to take their concerns to Canberra or Brisbane?

    “Politicians need to go and see how they live and engage with them.”

    What is the point of having a local member if the PM and Deputy PM have to fly to a farm to know what the problems are?

    Technology should make all this travelling around unnecessary. Tony Abbott would spend a fortune going to remote Aboriginal communities, evebn moving the whole government there for a few days until he realised he actually had a job to do. Nothing came from the visit except very staged camera shoots and a great deal of wasted money. That is my point. Their visit is about boosting their image rather than achieving anything. They reannounce things over and over – must we pay tens of thousands every time? Julie Bishop went to a charity dinner in Perth and then hired a private jet to fly her and her boyfriend back to Canberra. It would have been better for her to stay at work and donate the $30,000 to the charity don’t you think?

  126. Trish Corry

    Wow! If that is your understanding and attitude Kaye. Please don’t ever complain about the rise of Hansonism, because you simply are not expressing even the basic understanding of why this is happening. The Julie Bishop example has nothing to do with say the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister visiting regional communities. Apples and Oranges.

    Technology to communicate with regional and rural areas……..You ARE joking right?

  127. Miriam English

    I get what Trish is saying and I get what Kaye is saying. Believe it or not, you are arguing past each other. You actually agree.

    Trish, you’re right that regional people are largely ignored by politicians, both left and right. They have a right to be heard and listened to and to be taken seriously by their supposed representatives.

    Kaye, you’re right that given the fact that the politicians, when they do visit those places do so incredibly superficially, largely pretending to listen to local concerns, those great sums of money would be better spent reading and answering letters and emails from their constituents and taking part in online forums and video-chats with them.

    I used to organise the meetings for the Virtual Reality Association when I lived for some years in Melbourne. Those meetings were wonderful because using ancient dial-up modems on old computers the group of us met in virtual worlds once a month. Members were all over Earth. It cost us almost nothing to do so.

    I’ve been at conferences where scientists thousands of kilometers away are projected on a screen before a whole community and talk and answer questions.

    I imagine similar things could be arranged with politicians, where a town hall of people could talk with a politician. But most of all, it would be far more cost-effective for them to answer their damn letters and emails.

    If someone was needed to have boots on the ground to see a problem, why not send a researcher who can spend the time without an entourage and get a proper, in-depth message back to the politician?

    What I mean is that politicians should use money, time, and technology responsibly. But they don’t.

  128. Jennifer Meyer-Smith

    Excellent comment, Miriam. It ticks all the boxes.

  129. Kaye Lee

    We seem to be communicating (kinda) despite the distance Trish. If I was a farmer and the PM said would you like me to come visit or would you prefer me to spend the $40,000 that will cost on fixing the road outside your place, I think I would forego the visit. Miriam’s town hall conferencing and online forums are prime examples of what could be done. Use your local representative to convey the boots on the ground view – that is their job.

  130. Trish Corry

    I feel sad that people just don’t understand the regional and remote demographic; yet want to have their opinion on why Hansonism exists in regions like this.

    When there is massive distrust of major parties, yes, what a great idea to send some researcher in a suit from the city probably not even in the same state to listen to your concerns to “take back” to the Government. Yes, great idea! NOT!

    You are missing the huge point that Hanson is the head of her own party – so they see the ‘head of the party’ – the one who says they can make changes – listening. It would not be the same if she sent one of her senators out there who had to go back to the leader – who may or may not support what you have said and even if it would be the same message that got back to them. When leaders visit it has a strong impact. These people are starved of the people in charge who are have the authority to make change.

    There is no substitute for looking someone in the face and seeing their direct concern, empathy and looking them in the eyes to see if they mean what they say.

    Hanson is doing this. The major parties are not. If there is a solution, the ideas suggested above are not the solution. The ideas above will just feed into making Hanson more prominent.

    PS – These comments won’t be read by many people in these areas, because some can’t get mobile phone OR internet, let alone hook up to an interactive webinar! and those that do have it, the latency (lag) is so bad a webinar is simply not feasible, plus the charges per gigabite are ridiculous. To expect these people to log in to talk to a politician when their plan only lasts a few days a month is just plain preposterous.

    and I’m sorry, but showing someone in Authority the state of the roads, how drought is affecting your property etc., cannot be shown via web cam.

  131. Trish Corry

    Kaye you are talking like a conservative. We ONLY have buckets of money for certain things and if we spend it on something else (travel to see you), then you can’t have the other thing (a road).

  132. cornlegend

    Wouldn’t MMT enthusiasts support travel, isn’t it ok to travel to outback and rural communities?
    They are stimulating the economy
    “Government spending should not be seen as a bad thing.”

    holiday time 😀 bye

  133. Miriam English

    Good points Trish. That is where Hanson is having an effect, regardless of how genuine or not she actually is. The people she visits are left with the feeling that she cares. No doubt she also does the Trump thing of stirring the pot and making people feel more threatened by refugees, aboriginees, Asians, gays, too.

    I see your point about the need for other politicians to physically show up to counter this.

    The cost of the internet? I agree totally. It is beyond obscene that the internet in Australia is the most expensive in the world, while still offering sub-par connectivity. That said, we used to connect via old dial-up modems on the phone line at very low speeds and do amazing things. But a town hall can usually have access to better internet than outlying people who would never get to see Hanson or any other politician without coming into the town anyway. Using the internet would allow politicians to have contact with far more people. If they combined that with actually touring surely that would be many times more effective. Even Hanson can only tour so many days out of the year. If Labor/Green/whatever politicians toured like she does, but had further contact with people using such technology then surely that would be a bonus. I imagine something like Tuesday night being a regular meet with Bill Shorten online… like Franklin D Roosevelt’s regular fireside chats on the radio where he’d address the concerns of the people in an informal manner.

    And good point Cornie. If they used MMT then it would be great for local businesses. Another reason why they should use MMT instead of tightening everybody else’s belt.

  134. Trish Corry

    I am not saying to NOT use technology at all. Shorten does town halls, live Facebook feeds etc., already. However, it is no substitute for going to these places in real life – to talk up close and personal. Kaye is arguing that all visits are a waste of time and money – especially the more remote they are. They are best to sit at a desk!

    I totally disagree. There is nothing that can substitute for a person of authority coming to listen to people in real life about their problems. They case Kaye is making – one would think they are out here every second day. Far from it!

    The argument that ‘this may cost more money to visit people in regional and remote areas than people in the city who have better access to them and they should just email their concerns” makes me very frustrated indeed. What price are we paying now for this attitude? Hanson! That is the price we are paying.

    This started with a comment about charter flights. In an electorate 90,000 km squared plus – they are a necessity! I don’t care what side of politics you are on. They are a necessity.

    If you continue to push the argument that technology is the solution – please, just please explain how this is feasible giving the reality of the situation I outlined above. With no connection, mobile black spots, expensive internet, massive lag and/or limited data. Obviously the people you connected to by ‘old style modem’ were better off than some of these people. This is not the answer as opposed to real visits to communities.

    If the attitude is to keep pushing an alternative reality onto others, rather than listening to others and responding to their actual reality, then that explains exactly why Hanson is so popular. Especially if the major party politicians are of the same mind set.

  135. Kaye Lee

    “The argument that ‘this may cost more money to visit people in regional and remote areas than people in the city who have better access to them and they should just email their concerns” makes me very frustrated indeed. ”

    What really frustrates ME is you making up complete crap. That is NOT what I said so please stop misquoting me.

    You seem to think that people in the city have access to politicians. You would be wrong.

    I have had to deal with many politicians over the years in many different capacities. Sometimes we have achieved things, often not, but NEVER have I seen anything result from a meet and greet or a press conference. Maybe some people think seeing a politician in their town makes a difference. It never has in my experience. As a local business owner, I was approached by the entourage at the last election to ask if I would be on the film clip chatting with the local candidate. I quickly agreed saying I had much to discuss with her including the problems we were experiencing with FttN NBN. Needless to say, they changed their mind about chatting with me….moving right along folks.

    I think we are probably discussing different things. I am not really interested in political campaigning. I am interested in achieving results and productive use of resources.

  136. Trish Corry

    Kaye – here are your points AGAINST politicians visiting rural and regional communities:

    1. What rubbish. I am saying that politicians visits ANYWHERE are usually an expensive waste of time. I so hate this country vs city argument.

    2. Are those human beings incapable of writing emails, picking up the phone, or Heaven forbid, using their local representative to take their concerns to Canberra or Brisbane?

    3. What is the point of having a local member if the PM and Deputy PM have to fly to a farm to know what the problems are?

    4. Technology should make all this travelling around unnecessary. Tony Abbott would spend a fortune going to remote Aboriginal communities, even moving the whole government there for a few days until he realised he actually had a job to do. (*PS Kaye – visiting these remote communities is part of his actual job!)

    5. If I was a farmer and the PM said would you like me to come visit or would you prefer me to spend the $40,000 that will cost on fixing the road outside your place, I think I would forego the visit.

    6. Very good point MN. Could we also do away with politicians having to charter jets to fly to outback locations to make announcements?

    No. I have not cut and pasted your exact words – but your argument is most certainly strong against politicians visiting rural and remote communities.

    You have a consistent behaviour with your debating. You debate a point very strongly, but then if I do relay back what you say or express an opinion about it, you deny taking that stance. Now the cut and pastes above clearly show that you are not supportive of politicians visiting rural and remote areas – yet if I relay this back to argue against it – you say I am speaking crap and making it up.

    From where I sit, it is a confusing and odd behaviour.

    The reason Hanson is popular in these areas is she is visible, she is an authority figure and the people believe she can make real change. You have put up a wall for the majors to do the same to counteract it. You have not been supportive of them visiting these regions and listening to their concerns at all.

  137. Trish Corry

    I am not talking about campaigning. I am talking about politicians taking a genuine interest in these areas. When they only pop in during campaign time, it actually makes the distrust even worse.

  138. Kaye Lee

    Thanks Trish but my short term memory isn’t so bad that I don’t know what I have said. Your first line is the lie…

    “Kaye – here are your points AGAINST politicians visiting rural and regional communities:”

    What I have been trying to say is that you have a local representative who will understand the problem much better than someone who blows in for one day for a photo shoot or to reannounce funding they have announced countless times before. They will be the one that takes it to the appropriate minister. I can see occasions where it would be necessary for a local member to go and see for themselves but way too many of these trips by Ministers are just to be seen, not to achieve anything.

    You can show genuine interest in a seat far better by actually achieving things than by having your photo taken walking through the local shops.

    Perhaps it’s just me. I have no interest in meeting these people. I just want them to get things done and stop wasting time and money.

    I have at no stage suggested constituents in regional areas are any different to those in urban areas. It is YOU who keeps making that distinction – with too much blame attached in my view.

    (*PS Kaye – visiting these remote communities is part of his actual job!)

    Where did you get that idea? It is the job of the elected representatives of those remote communities to represent their concerns.

  139. Trish Corry

    Kaye what you have said there, is not what you have expressed clearly before. I will take ownership with interpretation, if you will take ownership with how you have conveyed your message.

    I think your point is based on the fact that you believe these ‘Ministers/Leaders’ whatever do nothing so the visit is wasted. That does NOT need to be the case. This is where the change to combat this mess we are in is important.

    The change needs to be that when these visits occur, people see real change, because of the concerns they have expressed.

    To contain the argument with Hanson, she relays their concerns back to them (about Islam for example) and then makes a speech in Parliament about the same thing. (They see she is listening). They see policies on her website about the same thing (the read she will take action).

    Where my drive lies is doing whatever I can to examine her actions, as opposed to what she says she stands for. I see these as completely the opposite and as a writer, I want people to see that. She is the fakest of the fake politicians. I’m not sure if anyone can be more fake than Turnbull, but she does come close.

    Politicians can make a real difference. There are some things more valuable to certain demographics than penny pinching. Some people just really want someone in authority to listen to them, which is exactly where Hanson has found the gap in the market.

    For me, when everything revolves around how much is being spent, we lose. Some things are priceless. Genuine connection is one of those things.

  140. Kaye Lee

    Fair enough Trish. Hanson visits and talks to people and then makes speeches in parliament…and achieves nothing. It might make the people feel good but, to me, it’s all a sham. I would be quite happy if my local representative would just answer her emails.

  141. townsvilleblog

    Trish, you are spot on with this one, 1 nation is merely another Liberal Party of the extreme right wing, not a change in Australian politics at all. 1 nation has no policies other than to agree with the most extreme right wing policies bought forward by the extreme right wing faction of the NSW Liberal Party. It seems 1 nation hates the working class as much as the extreme right wing of the Liberal Party, for some unknown reason they seem to believe that they are better than their fellow Australian, a philosophy usually nurtured by right wing religious fanatics like the USA Cult the assembly of God, who go under several aliases in Australia including Hillsong, Calvary etc.

  142. Trish Corry

    Thanks Shaun. I agree with you. One Nation is Anti-Worker, Anti-Union. The people who vote for them are voting against their own interest.

  143. Roswell

    Trish, is there any chance they might actually wake up to that fact? That a vote for Hanson is a vote for everything they don’t want.

    They are voting for Pauline Hanson but not what she stands for. Do they even know what she stands for? Seriously?

  144. Trish Corry

    Hi Roswell. I’m not sure the diehard fans will; as allegiance to Hanson appears to give them some type of false sense of superiority, although they are voting against their own interest and her decisions will hurt them. They may once they realise what she is voting for – some of them…
    However, there is this great article in the Guardian. I do think if the suggestions here are applied, people simply looking for an alternative could definitely back away for supporting her. Here is the excerpt:

    Here’s the formula, then, for busting elitist anti-elitism.

    How can the left respond to the global resurgence of far-right populism?

    Rather than defending the status quo, progressives need to say loudly and clearly that, yes, the shirkers and parasites must be exposed. But the problem lies at the top, not at the bottom: there’s something deeply wrong with a system in which Bronwyn “Helicopter” Bishop can lecture disabled pensioners about rorting.

    When we identify the real hierarchies, the claims of the rightwing anti-elitists dissolve into dust.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/20/heres-a-forumla-for-bursting-elitist-anti-elitism#comments

  145. Roswell

    Thanks Trish. That was a fabulous article you linked to. I’ll read it again in the morning and digest it a bit better than my tired eyes allowed me on this weary night.

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